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Old 03-08-2007, 04:22 PM
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Alright guys, Im new to the cam game, Im a newb and I have been doing a little research on picking a cam for a little bit (basically a few days). Im pretty set on the 224 range and all because i want a cam that is strictly street, sounds mildly loopy, and one that I wont have to give a rev or two to keep it going like the old choppy big blocks that sounds like they wanna stall out at a street light. Im looking for midrange power and the car is not a DD, just a weekend warrior. Anyways, Mods are KOOKS LTs, LID, BORLA, MAF, your basic bolt ons and cam will be run on stock heads.

What do you all think about a Comp Cams 224 cam, 224/224 .581/.581 112lsa.
Also, what do you recommend along the lines of pushrods, retainers, springs, etc.? What will I have to change and what can I keep. Sorry for the stupid questions, I am a on the whole cam thing, but I can get this cam pretty cheap right now and am debating if I should get it. Any help would be apprieciated, but please, dont say THANKS!
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That would be an ok choice, could go alot bigger since its not a DD. Look at a comp valvetrain package. Or, you at least need the 918 springs, which can use stock retainers, and should get pushrods, 7.400" I believe would be the right length. Titanium retainers are optional.
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I personally think you could go a little bigger on the duration. Maybe something in the range of 227-231ish. I DD my 230/224 and after the tune it has great street manners. As for springs, you will HAVE to replace them. Some comp 918's will work fine for you. your also going to want to get some hardened push-rods. Everything else is pretty much optional. New retainers arnt needed, but again some choose to upgrade while its apart. I went with some titanium retainers when doing my cam. If your car is higher milage, you might want to think about replacing the valve seals. Alot of people also choose to replace the oil pump and timing chain while its apart(myself included).
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Thanks guys, So I've narrowed it down to this after doing some more research. Theres a kit I can get from Speed Eng. which includes: All GM Gaskets Necessary for the kit, Comp 918 Springs, Comp Titanium Retainers (optional), Comp Chromemoly 7.40" Pushrods, and of course a CAM of my choice. So my car has just over 11K miles on it. Is a LS6 oil pump and timing chain necessary? I thought they were?

So you guys say I could go bigger eh? Keep in mind I will be using stock heads, have the stock 10 bolt with stock gears and of course will be getting the car tuned. I just dont wanna go to big and then have to go out and buy heads (cant afford right now) I dont know much about cams, thats why Im tying to get some feedback. Thanks Again!!!
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Oh and I forgot to add that I will be going to NEW ERA PERFORMANCE for tuning, so how big realisticly can I go on these?
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I daily drive a 232/234 595 598... it is nice!
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Im shooting for 400 rwhp when all said and done on stock heads.
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your going to need a pretty damn big cam to get 400whp on a cam-only car. Probably bigger then your going to want to go. Like i said before if your looking for something that makes good power(380-390ish) look into a cam with a duration of between 227-232. If you go much higher then that your going to have to flycut the pistons. Ill tell you that for damn sure you not going to make 400whp with a 224.
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Originally Posted by EvilBLK02TA
Im shooting for 400 rwhp when all said and done on stock heads.
I dyno'ed over 400rwhp cam only (with full bolt-ons), and it's very streetable. Numbers on my sig are 3% lower than what they should be due to a "special" dyno. 408rwhp / 381 ft-lb
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Originally Posted by bastien
I dyno'ed over 400rwhp cam only (with full bolt-ons), and it's very streetable. Numbers on my sig are 3% lower than what they should be due to a "special" dyno. 408rwhp / 381 ft-lb
damn those are good numbers. Did you have to flycut?
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Originally Posted by Blk97WS6
damn those are good numbers. Did you have to flycut?
nope!
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Originally Posted by bastien
nope!
Very nice! Im looking to go with a cam around that duration/lift when i do heads in a year or so. Glad to see your making good power with it..

Beautiful car BTW
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Originally Posted by EvilBLK02TA
Alright guys, Im new to the cam game, Im a newb and I have been doing a little research on picking a cam for a little bit (basically a few days). Im pretty set on the 224 range and all because i want a cam that is strictly street, sounds mildly loopy, and one that I wont have to give a rev or two to keep it going like the old choppy big blocks that sounds like they wanna stall out at a street light. Im looking for midrange power and the car is not a DD, just a weekend warrior. Anyways, Mods are KOOKS LTs, LID, BORLA, MAF, your basic bolt ons and cam will be run on stock heads.

What do you all think about a Comp Cams 224 cam, 224/224 .581/.581 112lsa.
Also, what do you recommend along the lines of pushrods, retainers, springs, etc.? What will I have to change and what can I keep. Sorry for the stupid questions, I am a on the whole cam thing, but I can get this cam pretty cheap right now and am debating if I should get it. Any help would be apprieciated, but please, dont say THANKS!
228/232, .588/.595 110+2 LSA (custom order Comp Cam XE-R lobes)

Pushrods 7.425' Comp cam
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I had a 230/224 from thunder. It was pretty powerful. It made 390rwhp with ls6 int, pulley, mac mids ORY pipe and a cat back.
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Originally Posted by PREDATOR-Z
228/232, .588/.595 110+2 LSA (custom order Comp XE-R lobes.
I think this is the NEW (cam only) cam of today. I bet it is really powerful.
How many people are running this?
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I'm interested in learning more about this specific camshaft myself. Looks like it would produce a nice table-top torque curve with good street manners...
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Originally Posted by JRracing
I think this is the NEW (cam only) cam of today. I bet it is really powerful.
How many people are running this?
A few poeple have it, it is a good balance cam for trq and power on top.

For those who want a bit more, then use LSK lobes
227/231 .639/.643 110+2 in M6 and 110+4 in A4

There is a few dyno sheet on the XE-R one in the dyno forum
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Originally Posted by EvilBLK02TA
Alright guys, Im new to the cam game, Im a newb and I have been doing a little research on picking a cam for a little bit (basically a few days). Im pretty set on the 224 range and all because i want a cam that is strictly street, sounds mildly loopy, and one that I wont have to give a rev or two to keep it going like the old choppy big blocks that sounds like they wanna stall out at a street light. Im looking for midrange power and the car is not a DD, just a weekend warrior. Anyways, Mods are KOOKS LTs, LID, BORLA, MAF, your basic bolt ons and cam will be run on stock heads.

What do you all think about a Comp Cams 224 cam, 224/224 .581/.581 112lsa.
You want the 224/228 .581 .588@114 That is what I have... It matches exactly what your looking for. the cam you chose is on the choppy idle side due to the 112lsa.
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The wide 114 LSA will hurt your low end torque.The XER lobe cam Predator mentioned is becoming popular, you should definately look at that.
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Defiantly replace the timing chain. My buddy made that mistake the first time. And his car had 43k.



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