Anrchy011@aol.com

torquer v.2
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magic stick v.4
im going to be buying an automatic 2000 ws6 and i was wondering which cam would be better? its a daily driver and gets maybe 6000 miles a year. which one will give me about 50rwhp and still have a somewhat decent idle to drive daily with?

RZRSEDGE

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I hear great things about the MS4. Of course you'll need the supporting mods for either cam. Stall, gear, headers, and springs among other things. Good luck!

Patrick G

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Both should give you over a 50 rwhp gain. The V2 has less overlap and will give you better street manners, but the MS4 will make more peak power. As long as you are happy with 50 rwhp gain, go with the smaller cam...it's still plenty big!

onebadZ28

The torquer 2 will have somewhat of a better idle quality and should yeild somewhere in the neighborhood of the horsepower you are looking for. As for the MS4 idle quality will be very lopey and will definately yeild the horsepower you are looking for. Both cams will need to be tuned, but neither should be a problem to tune for a tuner that knows what they are doing. As for the automatic transmission that you are planning to buy just my personal experience i think you would have better luck as far as driveability goes with the Torquer V2. Maybe someone else will chime in and give more information to maybe help you pick a cam to suit your needs.

jermzz

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Remember bigger cams limit your choices for heads down the road!

CaliboyTA

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i go for the torquer 2. tame on the streets but still lopey enough to get noticed. when i did my cam swap and headers, i gain little over 70rwhp. nice significant gain with teh torquer 2, longtubes, and tune

Jantzer98SS

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Is there any tests that have been done thats public information showing dyno graphs of each of these cams with the same setup?

224 - 228 - Torquer II - Torquer III - MS3 - MS4

I'm really torn with this as well. I was running 10.8 back in 2002 with my own ported heads and a little 224 .535 lift cam. I'm having a hard time justifying a huge cam, when my little one was so effective, and I know the torquer 2 and others are still considerably bigger than what I got.

I haven't run a huge cam, but I'm pretty sure WAY too many people are over-camming and sacrificing driveability with these big cams when the car would run better and faster if they undercammed and got a good tune and spent their time on setting the car up for what they want to do.

I bet half my paycheck if you swapped three different cams into a guys car and let him run them without telling him the specs, he would chose the smaller cam 70% of the time. Now that precludes making them idle pretty much the same so they all still provide that rumpity rumpity most are looking for.

Jantzer98SS

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One more comment and I will sit down... lol

I think if the cars that run fast on this board, the cars that are setup to run good times, used a small cam, they would still be damn fast. Most likely faster than what they thought they would be. But since these fast guys all run big cams to get every last hundred from the 1/4, everybody and their brother thinks thats the recipe to run fast....

RedDemonLsX

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I picked up 65rwhp with the Torquer v2.It has great street manners,and has a very nice lope to it.Check out my graph...

Anrchy011@aol.com

if i replace the cams, ill also do heads, intake manifold, roller rockers, and torque converter and of course a new 9" rear w/ an lsd and 3.73 gears. the headers and exhaust will have been done before i get around to sserious engine work. as for gear and springs, what should i get to match up with the torquer v.2? also what ratio roller rockers?

also, is there a smaller cam that will give me a 50rwhp result? if so, PLEASE let me know, that would be great

RedDemonLsX

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I got the PRC dual spring kit from tsp when i bought the cam.You wont need to change the rockers out.I would also suggest a LS6 ported oil pump,and new timing chain.

Jantzer98SS

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I would say a 224, 224/228, or 228 should all show a 50rwhp gain as well.

mzoomora

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Agreed. The majority of the top cam only cars are also gutted, with drag suspension, some have TH350's, big stalls, gears, etc. Even with a smaller cam they would be fast.

Anrchy011@aol.com

hows this one look?

lynmup

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I got 67.2 rwhp with the V.2 in my 05 GOAT. I have the dyno sheet but I'm at work now! It drives like stock and has a good lob, haven't stopped getting compliments from everyone that hears it.

Anrchy011@aol.com

what combo will give me the best power curve?

Jantzer98SS

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I guess the answer is.... there isn't a BEST cam or best power curve. Cams in nature move your power curve more or less. Now if you describe exactly what you want to do with the car say 1/4 mile blasts, and exactly what your setup is i.e. size of motor, head specs, intake runner length, exhaust size, trans, converter, gearing, and the weight of the car etc., then you can reasonably spec a cam to fit that need. Everything has to work together or results will be less than stellar.

Of the two cams you listed, the torquer 2 will have a more USEABLE power curve, because you don't run around town above 6K very often, the only place that bigger cam should shine.

I think everyone with an MS3/MS4/G5X3/TREX etc. that has not setup the car for it, is making a big mistake. They're losing driveability, fuel economy, AND performance. As well as added frustration when it doesn't perform. When I say perform, I mean for the intended purpose of the car. I don't mean a peak dyno number which seems to be the BAR to so many around here. And if that REALLY is what you goal is, then maybe it is for you. I also don't mean perform as in 1/4 mile time necessarily. If you want an everyday driver cam for a street car, the MS4 isn't the answer in my opinion. The best daily driver cam I think is 224 or 228, with the low 230-234 cams if you want it a bit more rowdy and can sacrifice a little torque down low.

The best advice I can give is don't get caught up in the numbers game, don't believe the dyno tells the story. After you've been around for a while, you start to recognize what dyno's and feedback from members is just fluff and what is good information. But it takes a good amount of time researching and talking to people and recognizing the people that know what they are talking about.

lynmup

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Heres my DYNO after cam install

PREDATOR-Z

Compare apples to apples, those 2 cams are not even in the same league.

I agree with Patrick G. The smaller cam would be better as an overall Street cam, but I would choose the revised version TV3 231/234 .643/.595 111 LSA

I have a comparable custom grind cam
231/240 .643/.608 112+4, fits with plenty clearance.

Phil'sC5vette

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I have the TV2 on 112 that I need to install soon
I hope it fits under my AFR heads milled -.020 using the stock GM gasket

It will fit with no issues.