Re: Would I want a longer duration on a stock cubed H/C motor? from what i've been told by Mark over at comp when i ordered mine, the reason we dont see much bigger splits than what we do is because of the intake to exhaust flow ratio. we have great heads on our motors and we dont need a whole monster of a cam to take advantage of them. stock heads for example flow (roughly) in the 230's on the intake and 200's on the ex. that puts the intake at about 86% of the exhaust. you really dont need to split the cam any more than 86% I/E wise to keep more of a flow balance in the motor. now take a look at some of our ported heads that make it closer to 92% i/e flow ratio, and you start to see why more and more single patterns as well as reverse splits are being used to keep tq numbers up there. you dont need nearly as much exhaust flow as you do intake because of lesser volume of the spent gasses. make sense? this is why our cam patterns are so signifigantly diffrent than the LT1, SBC and other conventional small blocks. this same ideology applies to other 15* and 18* cyllinder heads too. hope that makes sense. i think i got lost in there somewhere too. :D Thanks Vince, that's exactly the type of explanation I was looking for. :cool: |
Re: Would I want a longer duration on a stock cubed H/C motor? See, I also agree with this point. So far, I haven't seen any bigger than a 6 degree split in either direction though. |
Re: Would I want a longer duration on a stock cubed H/C motor? ok im gonna vent here a bit be wanred.. G5X-2 232/240 8* split. It's doing quite well on the LS1..... yeah? whooptie doo. you think it runs that way because it's on an 8* split? i really wouldnt have as big a beef with this g5x2 hype if it werent for the BS "give me money" marketing tactics behind it. that cam was designed to make the most out of a set of heads. BTW, mine's a 6* split and it's doing alright too. but it's not because of that. [/soapbox] ok, now that aside, i really dont want to turn this thread into a LG bash-fest so im going to stop there. just remember a cam is only one part of the bigger picture. just because a "cam only" car runs a good number, remember, there's always a reason why. i love telling people all i have is a hotcam and headers after a race. does that make me the fastest "cam and headers" car in the nation? ;D just a thought. |
Re: Would I want a longer duration on a stock cubed H/C motor? yeah? whooptie doo. you think it runs that way because it's on an 8* split? i really wouldnt have as big a beef with this g5x2 hype if it werent for the BS "give me money" marketing tactics behind it. that cam was designed to make the most out of a set of heads. BTW, mine's a 6* split and it's doing alright too. but it's not because of that. ok, now that aside, i really dont want to turn this thread into a LG bash-fest so im going to stop there. just remember a cam is only one part of the bigger picture. just because a "cam only" car runs a good number, remember, there's always a reason why. i love telling people all i have is a hotcam and headers after a race. does that make me the fastest "cam and headers" car in the nation? ;D just a thought. I'm completely aware that the cam isn't everything, all my post was about was that there are larger splits that work for a given application. Sounds to me like you got some issues with LG :p but despite that you can't deny that cam isn't making power and not just with LS6 heads either..... |
Re: Would I want a longer duration on a stock cubed H/C motor? yeah i do :D i think it's the heat here in TX. hehe.. i gave fair warning there too, just needed that out of my system.. yeah, i have a serious problem with the marketing sceme there. outrageously overpriced gimmicks are one of my pet peeves. |
Re: Would I want a longer duration on a stock cubed H/C motor? yeah i do :D i think it's the heat here in TX. hehe.. i gave fair warning there too, just needed that out of my system.. yeah, i have a serious problem with the marketing sceme there. outrageously overpriced gimmicks are one of my pet peeves. |
Re: Would I want a longer duration on a stock cubed H/C motor? I have a used 228/228 .588 cam here if you want to buy it at a good price Brian |
Re: Would I want a longer duration on a stock cubed H/C motor? I wanted to go with a 230/224 .575/.563 111LSA, but I was told that I would have P-to-V issues with stage 2 5.3L heads. I just don't understand, especially if I'm not having the heads milled. Had to settle on a 228/224 112LSA |
Re: Would I want a longer duration on a stock cubed H/C motor? I wanted to go with a 230/224 .575/.563 111LSA, but I was told that I would have P-to-V issues with stage 2 5.3L heads. I just don't understand, especially if I'm not having the heads milled. I was also told the cam would have to be revved super high to make power? Had to settle on a 228/224 112LSA |
Re: Would I want a longer duration on a stock cubed H/C motor? I have a used 228/228 .588 cam here if you want to buy it at a good price Brian You have mail Brent. ;) |
Re: Would I want a longer duration on a stock cubed H/C motor? I wanted to go with a 230/224 .575/.563 111LSA, but I was told that I would have P-to-V issues with stage 2 5.3L heads. I just don't understand, especially if I'm not having the heads milled. I was also told the cam would have to be revved super high to make power? Had to settle on a 228/224 112LSA |
Re: Would I want a longer duration on a stock cubed H/C motor? But rather than making this about the G5X cam, how about another example: LS1 Grand-Am Cup, 239/251 which happens to have a 12* split and is capable of 470RWHP (as I stated previously) with a stock bottom end and LPE CNC LS6 heads.... IMHO I'd like to see one of these "470rwhp" Grand Am Ls1's with a factory(tuned) pcm before we start comparing them to street strip combo's on this site-I feel that the results would be a little different. Anyone want to donate DFI to the cause, we can use my humble :devil: 346 for the test :D The g5x2 :jest:I mean comp 232/240 IMO is making awesome power in these motors. 460+ is insane out of 346 inches with a factory pcm. I just can't wait to see what's around the corner for NA LS1 performance. Can 500 rwhp be far away? |
Re: Would I want a longer duration on a stock cubed H/C motor? Lets compare apples to apples here... the LS1 Grand Am Series calls for a cam with greater emphasis on the exhaust side b/c an oem exhaust manifold is required on the car. |
Re: Would I want a longer duration on a stock cubed H/C motor? The g5x2 is making awesome power, but IMO its not making the power it should b/c of the restriction of the intake of the ls1. It's all in what you want in a cam really. I will definitely be switching from a reverse split as soon as a cost effective aftermarket intake is available for the ls1. |
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