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02' hawk Feb 10, 2008 01:14 PM

I'm about to replace my head gaskets..........
 
and i was wondering what head gasket would be the best for the money? I am supercharged with up to 200hp shot of nitrous. Not sure if the engine has been bored out either.

Also i want to replace the head bolts for studs..... but can i still replace the head bolts for the ARP studs and still fit the head over the studs with the engine still in the car??

Any advise in the process of the replacement would be apriciated also!

Dragkid1917 Feb 10, 2008 01:24 PM

wait woah, huge problem. you have to know if the engine is bored out. thats like, a definate must know...

JPH Feb 10, 2008 01:51 PM

Cometic head gaskets + ARP head studs= Great combo:nod:

vettenuts Feb 10, 2008 02:02 PM

After you sort everything else out, the studs don't necessarily have to go on the motor first. I had a problem with my passenger side header in the way during the installation and left the lower studs out until I got the head on the motor, then I installed the studs.

ChevyChad Feb 10, 2008 02:42 PM

If this is for an f-body (assuming it is since that is what is in your sig) you can install the studs first and then install the heads- no problem. Figure out the bore of your engine and if it is less than 4.100 (which it will be if you are 347) then use the new GM MLS 5-layer gaskets for the 6.2L engines.

02' hawk Feb 10, 2008 02:42 PM

Well this will be the first time i have ripped into the ls1. (in exception to a cam swap).

Are the studs going to be a better choice with my cobo? I have seen the head bolts hold 170,000psi and the higher end ARP bolts hold the same as the ARP studs (190,000psi). Would the studs still be better?

02' hawk Feb 10, 2008 02:43 PM


Originally Posted by ChevyChad (Post 8679954)
If this is for an f-body (assuming it is since that is what is in your sig) you can install the studs first and then install the heads- no problem. Figure out the bore of your engine and if it is less than 4.100 (which it will be if you are 347) then use the new GM MLS 5-layer gaskets for the 6.2L engines.

Got a part #? Also where would i order them from? Dealer?

02' hawk Feb 10, 2008 02:44 PM


Originally Posted by Dragkid1917 (Post 8679477)
wait woah, huge problem. you have to know if the engine is bored out. thats like, a definate must know...

Most pistons will have the oversize bore stamped on the piston correct?

Also what is the std. bore for the ls1?

02' hawk Feb 10, 2008 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by ChevyChad (Post 8679954)
If this is for an f-body (assuming it is since that is what is in your sig) you can install the studs first and then install the heads- no problem. Figure out the bore of your engine and if it is less than 4.100 (which it will be if you are 347) then use the new GM MLS 5-layer gaskets for the 6.2L engines.

Yes, it's for my 02 T/A. Hey man i want the F1!!!

ChevyChad Feb 10, 2008 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by 02' hawk (Post 8679957)
Well this will be the first time i have ripped into the ls1. (in exception to a cam swap).

Are the studs going to be a better choice with my cobo? I have seen the head bolts hold 170,000psi and the higher end ARP bolts hold the same as the ARP studs (190,000psi). Would the studs still be better?

Get the studs


Originally Posted by 02' hawk (Post 8679964)
Got a part #? Also where would i order them from? Dealer?

GM p/n 12610046 you can get them at a dealer, or any of the forum vendors such as SDPC, etc.


Originally Posted by 02' hawk (Post 8679973)
Most pistons will have the oversize bore stamped on the piston correct?

Not necessarily


Originally Posted by 02' hawk (Post 8679973)
Also what is the std. bore for the ls1?

3.898

02' hawk Feb 10, 2008 05:34 PM

Thanks for all the info.
Anything else i should watch for when i do the swap?

02' hawk Feb 10, 2008 10:45 PM

What about lock tight on the studs?

bjamick Feb 11, 2008 08:39 AM

The standard bore is 3.905 (347) the stock bore is 3.898 ;).. I cant believe it hasn't already been upgraded?? Especially if your hitting this motor with boost and nitrous :eek:..

LS1-450 Feb 11, 2008 10:43 AM

Cometic gaskets, ARP studs, no on the lock-tite. Follow ARP instructions for tigthening.
Copper spray, copper spray, copper spray the gaskets.....a must.

1320 killer Feb 11, 2008 10:53 AM

stud that bitch with arp's and use cometic gaskets. they work hand n hand

02' hawk Feb 11, 2008 12:57 PM

Thanks guys for all the input. I was just about to ask about the cometic gaskets!

02' hawk Feb 11, 2008 12:58 PM


Originally Posted by LS1-450 (Post 8685642)
Cometic gaskets, ARP studs, no on the lock-tite. Follow ARP instructions for tigthening.
Copper spray, copper spray, copper spray the gaskets.....a must.

Copper spray.........what is that? What does that do?

I promise that i'm not stupid or mechanically inclined it's just the ls1 is a new animal to me... I could build the old school stuff all day long! Supercharged and nitrous stuff is all new to me on the ls1.:D

LS1-450 Feb 11, 2008 02:01 PM

Coat the Cometic gaskets w/copper gasket spray; otherwise, they may leak. With all the pressure you're adding to the combustion chamber, I'd almost bet that they will leak without copper gasket spray applied to the gaskets prior to installation.

ChevyChad Feb 11, 2008 03:39 PM


Originally Posted by bjamick (Post 8684981)
The standard bore is 3.905 (347) the stock bore is 3.898 ;).. I cant believe it hasn't already been upgraded?? Especially if your hitting this motor with boost and nitrous :eek:..

Well, I was assuming he was asking what was stock standard. And there is also the 3.903 bore pistons. That is what I have in my 347. I'm sure it has been upgraded- it says in the sig that he has forged internals. If anyone was dumb enough to put stock sized pistons back in an unmachined stock block when upgrading to forged internals, that would be a tragedy!

02' hawk Feb 11, 2008 03:45 PM

What's the difference between standard bore and stock bore? I didn't know there was a difference. I was just trying to find out the stock bore so if the motor was bored out i would just add the size of the overbore to get the correct head gasket.


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