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Old 08-23-2008, 10:31 PM
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For the first time in my 2 year long project i was almost brought to tears when i changed the oil for the first time since the motor was installed. I hired a family friend with a shop (DJ Auto Provo, UT) to wire and hook up the cooling system on my porsche 911/Ls1 hybrid. It took him 8 months to do 21 hours of work. He wired the #3 injector to the pass oxygen sensor (Don't F***ing ask he's an idiot) so he hydro-locked the motor and repeatedly tried to start it with the brand new bosch high torque starter. In the process he torqued the starter pocket on my transmission (Btw, $3,000 for a used high mileage G50/03 core with no warranty...) making it so the starter gear doesn't align with the flywheel resulting in 1 out of 10 tries, it starts.
Now for the bad news, when i pulled the drain plug i found what looks like the needles from a needle bearing in my motor. Any ideas where from and what needs to be done to repair it would be great. Thanks a lot, Russell.

It's a 98' block with 2000 243 cast heads with a G5x2 232/240 .608'' .595".
I bought the motor off of these forums from "Tim the transporter".
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I forgot to add that the motor idles at 925 rpm with no audible noises or knocks and i have around 1k miles on it since it was first started.
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from the rockers... Get some after markets...
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Yep, needle bearings from the stock rockers. Not uncommon.
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oh yeah man. looks like your rockers are missing their needle bearings.
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Yea, rockers...WTF? Did all them bastards come out on the plug that way? Looks like they were trying to build something else out of themselves..lol!
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I would say needle bearings from a lifter. The stock rockers are pretty tough to be honest.
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Originally Posted by SHINER
I would say needle bearings from a lifter. The stock rockers are pretty tough to be honest.
No...Their really not. The stock rockers are weak ****.
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Do some research please.

Originally Posted by Fraser@SpeedInc
Some individuals have an agenda and tactics when it comes to presenting their product, the current yella terra rockers are an improvement over earlier versions.

We use the stock rocker arms on our shop car engine 7800rpm shift points and 1154rwhp

using PSI CT1225 valve springs with 160psi on the seat

stock LS7 lifters too

the shop car ran 8.60 5 days in a row on drag week and drove 1000 miles between the tracks.

And I know from hands on experience, GM did very well with their rocker arm design. Lots of aftermarket rocker arms tend not to be balanced to well and will cause massive power lost due to valve float.

Handle 160psi seat and 1154 rwhp.....not weak as **** after all.
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Then why have countless people had problems with them and resorted to the Harland Sharp rocker mod?
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Countless people? Ive been on this board for a while as compared to you and have not seen ONE complain yet.

I think you are comfused. I know some people have had problems with LS7 rocker arms, not LS1.
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GM has a TSB out on LS1 rocker roller bearing loss so it is a real problem.
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http://www.corvetteactioncenter.com/...Rocker+Arms%29
Heres the TSB off a corvette site
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Originally Posted by SHINER
Do some research please.
I think you need to do some research yourself. Stock rockers fall apart all the time. MIne did on me and I had no idea till my oil change. The retainers are just pressed on for the bearings, and they get loose and fall off. There goes all your bearings. Just have them rebuilt by harlan sharp. they put clips around the rocker so they cant fall apart anymore
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I have never had bad luck with mine, or other sets, or shops set, friends set, etc. etc etc


So research is not necessary. Its much different when you actually get hold one in your hand, instead of looking at it/reading about it on a computer screen guys.
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The GM design is indeed very good, but its weak point is the stamp pressed metal on the sides that house the needle bearings. I'm a service manager at a Chevy dealership and we have seen just a few "LS" rockers sides come off in 9 years. We have this year replaced 2 rockers on "LS3" on 1 rocker on a "LS7". All 3 where the intake rockers. It made me a little uncomfortable to buy a set of fortified Harland Sharp rockers for insurance.
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LLboarder -- sorry to hear about your "mechanic" problems.

I have an '86 911 Turbo (or 930) and am interested to know how the LSX swap affected balance and handling on your Porsche.

The Porsche's just don't have a lot of torgue "off idle". I suspect a LS1 is lighter than the Porsche flat six.

How much modification was required to the sheetmetal? I recall seeing photos of gen1 sbc engines in 911's that appeared to fit within the engine bay.

My car runs fine -- but till it gets into boost, a fat boy on a bicycle can out run you. The gas mileage is nothing to brag about either.

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fwiw I have seen 6-7 rockers have their bearings come apart and the poop themselves in different folk's cars; mine was one of them. Have to count the needle bearings to make sure that you got them all out.
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Looks like rocker bearings. Ive had this happen to 4 different stock rockers on my previous motor.
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Originally Posted by lazylongboarder
For the first time in my 2 year long project i was brought to tears when i changed the oil for the first time since the motor was installed. I hired a family friend with a shop (DJ Auto Provo, UT) to wire and hook up the cooling system on my porsche 911/Ls1 hybrid. It took him 8 months to do 21 hours of work. He wired the #3 injector to the pass oxygen sensor (Don't F***ing ask he's an idiot) so he hydro-locked the motor and repeatedly tried to start it with the brand new bosch high torque starter. In the process he torqued the starter pocket on my transmission (Btw, $3,000 for a used high mileage G50/03 core with no warranty...) making it so the starter gear doesn't align with the flywheel resulting in 1 out of 10 tries, it starts.
Now for the bad news, when i pulled the drain plug i found what looks like the needles from a needle bearing in my motor. Any ideas where from and what needs to be done to repair it would be great. Thanks a lot, Russell.

It's a 98' block with 2000 243 cast heads with a G5x2 232/240 .608'' .595".
I bought the motor off of these forums from "Tim the transporter".
holy crap! looks like a sculpture!
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