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Old Jul 14, 2013 | 05:54 PM
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Is there anything from WCCH that is comparable?
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Old Jul 14, 2013 | 07:08 PM
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LSW 12-1..T&D or Jesel rocker arm or WCCH Retro LS7 head that uses standard ls7 rocker arms,,,price for bare head is 3200..no parts/ with parts $4200.....Mast C5r head is $4200 with parts Hollow stems and all got the quote. Mast is the best head for overall and cost...TSP or anyone else...
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Old Jul 14, 2013 | 08:21 PM
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You really need a 4500 TB a 4150 would loose a good amount of power.

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Old Jul 15, 2013 | 03:32 PM
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If money wasn't an issue...what do y'all think about the kinsler crossram intake? There is a possibility that I can get a good deal on one..
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Old Jul 15, 2013 | 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted by LPE 403
You're going to find a few guys on here with big cube ITB set-ups - RAMPANT (455 Harrop), Stage7 (468 Jenvey) and myself (460 Kinsler). Cost and tuning are the biggest issues with them. All 700-800ish builds. Depending on the combo, they make alot of power in relatively low rpm....less than 7k. Air filtration is another challenge. While Harrop and Jenvey have filters or boxes, Kinsler does not....just screened bonnets. Street driving is unlike anything I've ever experienced N/A. Immediate throttle response, power at will....plus they're cool to look at
I am really thinking about getting a Kinsler....is there anything about it you don't like? How was the throttle cable hook up and install?
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Old Jul 15, 2013 | 04:39 PM
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Get a Mast intake a 4500 and a pair of C5r heads with hollow or titanium valves with 675 lift and be thru with it.
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Old Jul 15, 2013 | 04:49 PM
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The Kinsler would look so sick under the hood of the chevelle though...
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Old Jul 15, 2013 | 05:00 PM
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Yeah but for Mast intake $$$ you could get Titanium valves and T&D-Jesel rocker arms.It would also look Vintage and have as much hp to Boot! Look at the power of Mr. 700 rwhp What is he using and it's with a 102 T/B Think 4150 more hp and 4500 ........I think it would be great with whichever one you chose I'm like the ideas the guy's are coming up with....Now waiting to see a 454ci or larger engine with 13.1 E85 setup and a 730+ Solid roller for the street .
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Get a pair of C5r heads with hollow or titanium valves with 675 lift and be thru with it.
If the heads will be run with .700"ish or less lift, then heads designed for maximum "area under the curve" from .300"-.600" will be the way to go.

Heads that are designed with steeper intake valve jobs (50-55 degrees) for high lift flow should be relegated to race car duty only using at least .800" lift.
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Old Jul 15, 2013 | 05:29 PM
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I am definitely trying to stay with ls7 heads and not going over .700" lift....Brian what do you think of the kinsler intake?
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Old Jul 15, 2013 | 05:34 PM
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I am definitely trying to stay with ls7 heads and not going over .700" lift....Brian what do you think of the kinsler intake?
I haven't been particularly impressed with the ITB intakes, but that could be a function of the combination not getting the right camshaft timing events.

There's a Katech build on here somewhere where they took a 500 cubic inch LS engine with LS7 heads and a Kinsler intake and made right at 700hp...
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Old Jul 15, 2013 | 05:45 PM
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Ok I can see how that would make cam selection a bit tough....So Brian what intake and tb would you put on top a set of, say Mast 305 black lable ls7 heads? I guess my three top options are the mast 4500 with an accufab 4500 tb, the kinsler cross ram, and the holley hi-ram....I am so conflicted at this point...the intakes are all so different
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Old Jul 15, 2013 | 05:59 PM
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Ok I can see how that would make cam selection a bit tough....So Brian what intake and tb would you put on top a set of, say Mast 305 black lable ls7 heads? I guess my three top options are the mast 4500 with an accufab 4500 tb, the kinsler cross ram, and the holley hi-ram....I am so conflicted at this point...the intakes are all so different
Great choice on the heads, Mast 305's are amazing for the money!

My vote goes to the Holley Hi-Ram.

You should be seeing some results from my build very soon. Which is a Holley Hi-Ram, 454 LSX, Frankenstein Racing Brodix BR7 (LS7 style heads), Jessel Rockers, Hydraulic Roller, .700 lift cam, and runs off 93 pump gas.

Will make over 700 at the crank.
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Old Jul 15, 2013 | 06:14 PM
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Do you have a build thread? I would love to see how it is coming together and I am definitely in for the results
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Old Jul 15, 2013 | 06:19 PM
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Build has been on hold but should have the truck back from the chassis shop on the 21st and then be installing the motor/trans. Will be at the track by the fall or bust!

http://www.performancetrucks.net/for...-chevy-510765/
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Old Jul 15, 2013 | 09:23 PM
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The Kinsler is incredible....expensive....and like many ITBs, a pain to tune, but doable. No track times yet, but for bench racing discussions, my 460 RHS fbody build with a conservative, not done yet tune, put down 615 on a Mustang that's a consistent mid 600 on any Dynojet locally. Peak torque bounced off of 540, thru a 9", catted full 3" dual exhaust and 90+% humidity....and all under 6800. HUGE Mast heads (not advertised) and a spec'd hyd cam from Crane. Still playing with some drivability tuning, but the throttle response and at will power was worth the aggravation....AND it's pretty!



I have a throttle linkage setup figured out and if interested can hook you up with the same deal. Can also hook you up with the guys at Kinsler...lol, we're on a first name basis now
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Old Jul 15, 2013 | 09:52 PM
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Man that thing is purty.....I have some time to make my decision....more important things at hand right now....like getting my short block rolling
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Old Jul 27, 2013 | 02:33 PM
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So I have been seeing a couple threads and a bunch of post about Morel/Lunati lifters failing on them...I have also been reading good things about Johnson lifters...any ideas out there?
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Old Jul 27, 2013 | 03:22 PM
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My last reply was on Johnson lifters: Morel/Lunat comparison, they do also have cheaper versions of the Johnson lifter with needle bearings as most standard hyd lifters do, I just was happy to see a needle less bearing for HYD. lifters.
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Yeah I was reading that...they look like the best option but they are pretty pricey....are there any vendors on here that sell them? I can't find them for resale anywhere on line
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