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Old 10-28-2017, 11:45 AM
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I have 25k on this Texas speed stage 2 comp cam and springs. Almost every lob is bad. What would cause this? Also looks like a bad ring in #8



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What oil are you using?
What are your cold and hot pressures?
What temps (oil & water) do you reach before WOT?
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What are the actual specs and pic of back of cam?

How did lifters look?
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Using Valvoline 10w30 syn.
Oil pressure has always been good. 35 idle 60 WOT. Never seen oil temps above 220.

Cam specs are 229/236 .629/.615 112
One lifter started going flat. Others look good.
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Originally Posted by badass68
Using Valvoline 10w30 syn.
Oil pressure has always been good. 35 idle 60 WOT. Never seen oil temps above 220.

Cam specs are 229/236 .629/.615 112
One lifter started going flat. Others look good.
Now you know why they went to grinding their own on different cores.

What can we do to help?
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I already ordered a BTR cam (cam motions core). I will need to buy lifters, oil pump and maybe forged pistons and rods.
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three things i can think of right off the bat:

poor valvetrain control because of old/weak springs
lubrication issues
bad cam core (i think comp had a run of these a while back)
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since you have 25k on your setup, i would look at springs.
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Originally Posted by dreadpirateroberts
three things i can think of right off the bat:

poor valvetrain control because of old/weak springs
lubrication issues
bad cam core (i think comp had a run of these a while back)
Bingo!
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Thanks guys. I’m dropping the heads off at machine shop tomorrow. They’ll test the springs.
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Hi 68, there are two good Core manufactures in the USA, I/Crower use Camshaft Machine Company for cam cores.
The core number 416137 is NOT in the CMC book.

I too believe you have a "soft" core, just do the Rockwell.
The Rockwell Data could allow you recourse in court.

I can "model" you complete Valve Train in EAP if you provide that date.

VERY SAD to make a product, saving a FEW dollars, that costs YOU an engine.

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cam looks soft, BUT which springs are on there? Install ht?
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Are the cylinders scarred up? Have you looked at the bearings?
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Default Look at the bearings and crank

My buddy's cam and lifters looked jsut like that...

We pulled the engine. The main bearings and main journals has scratches due to the metal getting into the oil. The rod bearings and the journals looked fine but we replaced those bearings too. We determined his problem was due to oil starvation after a trackday on Silverstone with a HV oil pump - but a soft core from Comp could have contributed based on the time period he bought the cam. He noticed the enigne was making a new, although not loud, noise on the drive home - the drive was only about 30 min and he slowed way down after he noticed the noise - but the damage was done. While we had it appart we added an improved racing oil pan baffle that helps keep the oil near the pickup in long turns like Copse, he was driving through at about 95mph...
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Originally Posted by Racesloth
The main bearings and main journals has scratches due to the metal getting into the oil.
Why didn't the filter stop them?
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Originally Posted by G Atsma
Why didn't the filter stop them?
The cam is oiled first then down to mains. Thats likely why.

Also the stock barbell allows ALOT of larger particles by as well as the stock in pan bypass and filter bypass. Thats why youd plug them with the Saccity kit we have and use the better barbell to decrease foreign particle size/bypass anyway.
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Ah! Perfectly logical! Straight from cam journals to the mains.... OUCH!


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