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Old 11-16-2017, 08:22 AM
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KCS you made me feel all warm and fuzzy inside with the bigger valve as you do know I do love cylinder heads. Went outside the box on that 1 and I do like.
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If that made you feel warm and fuzzy, how did you feel when you saw Kaase's EMC heads?

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On second thought, don't answer that.
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Originally Posted by KCS
If that made you feel warm and fuzzy, how did you feel when you saw Kaase's EMC heads?

That is a very out of the box cylinder head design!
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Originally Posted by Darth_V8r
That is a very out of the box cylinder head design!
It was built like that to circumvent EMC rules
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I like this thread.
Need to remember too that lots of the way the EMC engines are built is around average power, and not peak. If we (and others) shoved a different cam in the EMC engine it would scream past 800 crank without a sweat on pumpgas, at a friendly 11.48:1

For 10k it seems like a stretch though. A really big stretch.

Also, 800whp on whos dyno?
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OK, I know it's a little late in the thread, but could someone enlighten me on what EMC is about? Google wasn't nice to me this AM...
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OK, I know it's a little late in the thread, but could someone enlighten me on what EMC is about? Google wasn't nice to me this AM...
http://www.hotrod.com/events/engine-masters-challenge/
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AH!! Thank you! And to think I have read all about that! The acronym just didn't stick, I guess...
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Originally Posted by dckmn52
I like this thread.
Need to remember too that lots of the way the EMC engines are built is around average power, and not peak. If we (and others) shoved a different cam in the EMC engine it would scream past 800 crank without a sweat on pumpgas, at a friendly 11.48:1

For 10k it seems like a stretch though. A really big stretch.

Also, 800whp on whos dyno?
On a Dynapack in North Dakota in January. Uncorrected. LOL
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KCS that doesn't make me feel all fuzzy, I've never seen this or anything like it. It would have to Have : some special stuff: splayed, symmetrical ports etc...
If I had to guess it was done to make a raised runner and raise compression. With a shorter stroke/rod combination...AKA the pistons way down in the hole. Let me know why he did this. I haven't followed the EMC to much in a while after Popular Hot Rodding stopped Hot Rod just doesn't do it for me. If you go over to the EMC page it kinda sucks. I'll take a look. The EMC is gone they have something New* Mike Jones said something about it over on YB he's 1 of the head guy's setting up the rules for the event.
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I like it to *dckmn52 we can basically talk about anything without messing up someones thread. Win win. We know of the EMC and avg HP we're just saying 800 to the rear........if @ 2k or 8200 just 800 behind the doors. I know of only 1 800 hp + LS build for the EMC and that was AMS and I talked with them.
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KCS that doesn't make me feel all fuzzy, I've never seen this or anything like it. It would have to Have : some special stuff: splayed, symmetrical ports etc...
If I had to guess it was done to make a raised runner and raise compression. With a shorter stroke/rod combination...AKA the pistons way down in the hole. Let me know why he did this. I haven't followed the EMC to much in a while after Popular Hot Rodding stopped Hot Rod just doesn't do it for me. If you go over to the EMC page it kinda sucks. I'll take a look. The EMC is gone they have something New* Mike Jones said something about it over on YB he's 1 of the head guy's setting up the rules for the event.
My guess is that this particular block has such a tall deck height and the ability to be bored open quite large in order to get 473" inches yet still have a decent length rod/stroke ratio.......EMC usually being a 2500-6500 average power band; so high rpm/piston speed not a huge factor
By lowering the combustion chambers you essentially lengthen the runner and straighten the bowl "shot" at the back of the valve....poor man's "raised runner" if you will......QUITE INTELLIGENT !!!!!!
Back in the early seventies "Grumpy" Jenkins angle milled the old 292 angle plug Turbo fuelie heads to change "flatten" out the valve angle from 23 degrees to 18....again attempting to aid air pump breathing by straightening the bowl path and tricking the engine into thinking it had a raised runner
If you notice those kidney bean shaped chambers are fully un-shrouded so breathing is awesome. Heads flow air up to and "AROUND" the valve.....engines have those coffee cans that PULL the air/fuel in....so as Tony Mamo alluded to many times......chamber shape pays huge dividends to making great power
Lastly those small chambers squeeze AND pop fast......quick flame kernel means a lower BSFC......#number of pounds per hour of fuel needed to support each horsepower the engine makes....
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KCS that doesn't make me feel all fuzzy, I've never seen this or anything like it. It would have to Have : some special stuff: splayed, symmetrical ports etc...
If I had to guess it was done to make a raised runner and raise compression. With a shorter stroke/rod combination...AKA the pistons way down in the hole. Let me know why he did this. I haven't followed the EMC to much in a while after Popular Hot Rodding stopped Hot Rod just doesn't do it for me. If you go over to the EMC page it kinda sucks. I'll take a look. The EMC is gone they have something New* Mike Jones said something about it over on YB he's 1 of the head guy's setting up the rules for the event.
It was basically to make a raised runner head. You can see by an old cutaway diagram that the valve angle from the factory is already very flat, but the port floor is low and there wasn't much short turn to work with. The really cool pictures were posed by Billy Godbold at Comp. Kaase was sending him pictures as he was building the heads.

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I went looked up the build 410 ci did darn well as normal when dealing with Mr K. I kinda figured it had to be something simple. I kinda know that this had to be for something older and EMC says basic normal stuff but you can customize.. wink.wink.
Coach K beats the system again!

For my guy about that.. They don't have any good articles about this on the web. It wasn't a featured build in Popular Hot Rodding that yr. I have the 2011 EMC PHR that's how i found out about them being AMS. I could list the build but I'd have to copy from a mag and type it. No Go. couldn't find anything to copy or paste from the web. I wish PHR would have stayed and HR mag. went.



Team 42 AMS Racing – Kittler
Raymond Kittler and the AMS Racing team were competing in the Xtreme division with an LS engine displacing 428 CID, and featuring All Pro cylinder heads. This combination was definitely making serious power while going through the required warm-up pull. The team decided that power could be increased by fine-tuning the carb calibration and went to work changing jets at both ends. In making the scored qualifying pulls, the engine produced a best of 839 peak horsepower, ending the session with a score of 2933.2, which was short of that needed to qualify for final eliminations.
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EMC

http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh....php?t=2343274
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Here's another page .....I got from Tech it's another BM. This is a old thread in which the engine was for sale.

GM C5R Race Block:

Fully Machined by Proline Race Engines of Woodstock Ga
Set up & Machined for Jesel Belt Drive/Dry Sump Oiling
Bronze Lifter Bushings
Machined Deck Surface
Bore & Hone with Torque Plate
Chamfer bottom of cylinders/Debur Block/Notch front cam housing bore for oil/ream lifter bores
ARP Main Studs/Head Studs/Waterpump Studs
4.125 Bore

GM C5R Cylinder Heads
RARE0090 Castings
Fully Assembled
28cc Combustion Chambers
Manley Nextek Triple Springs 965lbs @.800
2.250 Intake Valves/1.600 Exhaust Valves
Fully Hand Ported by Larry Meaux Racing Heads
400+CFM by .950 lift

Diamond Pistons
4.125 Bore
1.118 Compression Height
-18cc Dome
.927 x 2.200 x .150 Pins
Total Seal Moly Low Tension Rings

BME Aluminum Connecting Rods
BME 265 Series
6.115 Length
.900 Small End

Callies Magnum XL 4.00" Stroke Crankshaft
Cut .0020

Custom Sold Roller Camshaft
Specs to be provided to purchaser
28x/30x .8xx/.8xx

Jesel Lifters
TS Series
Part # LFD-53653
Solid body .937 Diameter
.850 Roller

Jesel Shaft Mount Adjustable Rocker Arm System
1.85 Ratio

Trend Pushrods
Intake- 9.425 x .165 Wall
Exhaust- 9.400 x .165 Wall

This combination has been powered Bobby Lashleys All Motor 4th Generation Camaro to 8.29@163mph ETs weighing 3150lbs
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http://www.yellowbullet.com/forum/sh....php?t=1392082


I don't know if it's ithe same engine from the 1st post I'm assuming.
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*LS 7 hydraulic roller spring pressure
I have factory ls7 heads with del west titanium intake valves 73grams, ferrea super alloy ex valves 99 grams. Cam is 264-271 .684*.684, the springs are 200lbs on seat with 525 open. Stock rockers with trunion upgrade. Its going in my weekend jet boat. Im concerned about breaking rockers and bolt. Engine is a 444, 14:1 on e-85. What do you think? Drill head for 3/8?? Really didnt want heavy shaft rockers but will buy if im going to break ****. Thanks

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*Solid roller ls7 with factory rockers
I've got a .650 lift hydraulic roller in a class n.a. ls7. This engine was not built for this class. I took it out of my jet boat this winter and put it in my buddy's car. 3,000lbs 9" tire 4150 carb. We went 9:15 with many issues. I think it'll go 0's to maybe a high 8 but need more. I had lsm make me a can for the springs I have now. Like 180-440 IIRC. We are hitting limiter 200' before the stripe at 8,400. It needs a gear change. But do you guys think I'll have issues with the stock rockers and a small solid roller? Its ,670after lash. It'll all be done with push rod length. These are stock heads not aftermarket. Thanks.

Well I dynoed 2 weeks ago after running 9:15 @146mph @3,050lbs. It was hitting the limiter about 200' before the stripe. I turned it up from 8,400-8,600 then we had a dead battery and couldn't make first round. It sucks cause we were #2 qualifier.

So out came the hydraulic roller and in the solid. Still with stock rockers. It made 824 at 7,500-7,700. The solid I made 870@8,000. I made the dyno pulls the same from 5500-8,000. The average was up 30hp but 8,000 was up 65hp. Running car today hoping for 8:90's.
The hydraulic was 264/271 .650 lift 113 LSA installed on a 111. Now it was perfect for what designed for my jet boat. It made over 600 ft lbs for 3,000 rpm with a peak of 680.
The solid is 270/284 113 LSA on a 111 W/.670 after lash. Which is more in line with what we need for the car.
I have all pro heads coming from WCCH in a few weeks. It'll get shaft mounts, a cast tunnel ram a different camshaft. So that's not just for the august race but also going to be the way it will be run for drag week. I will dyno again next month. I will also run something besides my 4150 that we're required to run for the local class. Drag week can run whatever....
The heads are factory g.m. cnc'ed. I had my friend do a valve job on the newen and some short side work that's it. I'm pretty happy with the heads. They work great for the boat but now that we got it in a car for this local class and drag week they're not enough.
I will buy another cam with more lift for that package just really not sure what I should do cause its going on drag week. I'm thinking right around .800lift possibly a bit less. We have to run 1,200 miles plus a bit of street/testing before we go. I'm going to order jesels Monday. I really like T@D though too.
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Last night was thinking if I had the $ what car would I buy to place this motor in besides the S10?????? That I could afford....... New Mustang 2015-17 is So sexy.... add 20's with 305's all the way around. Hold the F up. One problem that car is out of my ballpark. Idea! If they say you can't have it or afford it what you gonna do chump? I'm gonna out think this problem or MF'er. Found a flooded 4 cylinder 2016 Stang for 4k as is. Need to find another when the trucks thru.
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That engine from 65 Beaver -- What was the displacement?

Edit - nevermind, I'm an idiot

I like it as a frame of reference, because the cam sizes are close to what we were thinking would work well. INteresting he picked up 50 HP from the solids. Intake duration was +6, but once you figure lash, it's the same duration (subtract 6 degrees for lash). So the cam was basically the same size, just no pumping losses and delays and about +020 on lift
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