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Old 07-19-2018, 02:09 PM
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ok so I’m the process of getting my motor rebuilt and want to know if I can break in the motor with out a tune for 500 miles before putting it on a dyno to get tuned. Mods are BTR stage 3 cam with all supporting mods, 243 heads and full bolt ons and forged bottom end, also my compression will be at or around 11.1:1. I have stock 26# injectors on it now but I also have fast 36# if need be.. please let me know what you guys think.. thanks in advance!
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I would not do it for 500 miles, but only as far as it is to the tuner. Your stock tune could be too far off from what it needs now. ANY driving before the tune should be VERY light throttle, which is not a good break-in strategy.
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Best would be to have a base tune loaded into the vehicle. Not safe to do your break-in without having a proper tune.
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In about 60 minutes on the dyno that motor will be broke in,, remember, most. of
the fastest cars in the world from the OEM,, all get their engines run hard and put
up wet during assembly.. No babying, they just run a constantly changing rpm in the
upper half of the engines rpm range.

Visit places like Rouche, Hendrix,, not their nascar side but their builder side and you'll see a
lot of brand new engines being wound out to 8500+ then crated.
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ok so I’m the process of getting my motor rebuilt and want to know if I can break in the motor with out a tune for 500 miles before putting it on a dyno to get tuned. Mods are BTR stage 3 cam with all supporting mods, 243 heads and full bolt ons and forged bottom end, also my compression will be at or around 11.1:1. I have stock 26# injectors on it now but I also have fast 36# if need be.. please let me know what you guys think.. thanks in advance!
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I would not do it for 500 miles, but only as far as it is to the tuner. Your stock tune could be too far off from what it needs now. ANY driving before the tune should be VERY light throttle, which is not a good break-in strategy.
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Best would be to have a base tune loaded into the vehicle. Not safe to do your break-in without having a proper tune.
ok.. I had 1 shop tell me (HPP racing in Lewisville Tx) tell me they could break in the motor on the dyno and then had another shop (21st century muscle cars) tell me it wouldn’t be a good idea to break it on the dyno, that I should drive it for at least 500 miles.. what do y’all think? Have y’all heard of the shops? One is in Addison tx the other in Lewisville tx
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It's not about breaking it in on the dyno. TUNE IT FIRST!
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Why spend all this money only to skimp out and possibly risk it all by going this route. Get some kind of base tune in there first
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I’m not skimpin out on a tune.. I’m simply asking is it safe to get a dyno tune with a motor that is going to have 0 miles on it.. I don’t want to waste money on a base tune if I don’t have to
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You have to.
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Safer to put it straight on the dyno than risk a rich condition or much worse a lean condition. Breaking a engine in isn't as big a deal as it use to be in the day of solid lifters.
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I dyno tuned last Saturday morning. I drove the car the week before, 5 miles to set the rings. The morning of the tune was the first real drive, so I basically broke it in on the dyno. I had a startup tune in place, and plugs read fine after first initial 5 mile drive. NO WAY I’d drive your car 500 miles without a tune.
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Given the cost and hassle of rebuilding a motor and swapping it in to the car, I would definitely get a basic tune before driving. I absolutely would not drive 500 miles needing a tune on a fresh motor, that's asking for problems.
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Tow it to the tuner and brake it in there but swap the injector first.
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Originally Posted by Aaron Hernandez
ok so I’m the process of getting my motor rebuilt and want to know if I can break in the motor with out a tune for 500 miles before putting it on a dyno to get tuned.
Follow the advice of your engine builder.
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Thank you guys for all the info.. looks like I will get it towed to my tuner and break it in on the dyno
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Originally Posted by Aaron Hernandez
ok.. I had 1 shop tell me (HPP racing in Lewisville Tx) tell me they could break in the motor on the dyno......
Break it in on the dyno.

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Originally Posted by showdog75
Safer to put it straight on the dyno than risk a rich condition or much worse a lean condition. Breaking a engine in isn't as big a deal as it use to be in the day of solid lifters.
Solid lifters isn't the issue.....it's roller versus non-roller (flat tappet) lifters.

A solid roller valve-train is miles ahead of the old tappet valve-trains. Those needed care during breaking. The solid rollers and hydraulic roller set-ups of today are much more forgiving. These days, you really only need to worry about seating the piston rings.

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Your right KW, that's what I meant but had a brain fart.
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Originally Posted by Aaron Hernandez
ok so I’m the process of getting my motor rebuilt and want to know if I can break in the motor with out a tune for 500 miles before putting it on a dyno to get tuned. Mods are BTR stage 3 cam with all supporting mods, 243 heads and full bolt ons and forged bottom end, also my compression will be at or around 11.1:1. I have stock 26# injectors on it now but I also have fast 36# if need be.. please let me know what you guys think.. thanks in advance!
500 miles to break an engine in....is comical. Any shop telling you that has no clue what they're talking about. Breaking in an engine is all about the rings seating properly. That happens in a matter of a few miles....or less in most cases.

I thought I would baby my brand new LS6 436ci stroker engine many years ago and the rings never seated properly, tons of oil blow by. Tons of oil burning over a short period. It was ruined right from the start because I listened to these fools about 500, 100, 1500 miles of baby driving. Sent it back to the builder and had it re-honed and new rings installed. Put it on the dyno and did like 6 pulls right after it was first started up and allowed to just warm up. I think they did like a 50% throttle pull. Then 75%, then a couple 85% or some **** like that. Then a few wide open throttle pulls. DONE.
That 436ci stroker engine in my sig lasted a long time and never burned oil and was always putting out its 11.3:1 compression it was built to have.

Put it on the dyno and slam it.......PERIOD. Thats what every LSx engine gets leaving the factory. Putting hundreds of miles on it is pathetic, hilarious and down right improper.

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Rings should definitely seal very quick within a few miles.

The shop that built my vette's SHP Dart 400, didn't have a chassis dyno. So the engine was broken in on the street. Rings seal in less than 4 miles.

I like getting in a couple of oil & filter changes at 500 - 1000 miles or so - after the rings are set. Cut the filter open and check it. Then feel good that the motor is ready and officially broke in.


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