Frankenstein F310 LS3 heads!
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v8sten (12-31-2019)
03-26-2019, 03:26 AM
#29
He has fitted everything from Mast Motorsport black label heads, AFR Mongoose, Trickflow etc.
He laughs when his customers spend all those thousands of dollars on those expensive heads when they don't make much more power than a set of CNC ported castings.
Down here in Australia, we have state of the art small bore LS7 heads that rival or exceed the low lift flow rates of the best cathedral heads out there.
These heads have super strong low and mid range torque and in the top end they are unmatched..
They feature a 3/4 thick deck for high boost levels and there are 4 and 6 bolt mains versions.
They are half the cost, are made with the same aluminium alloy, and make more power.
I would even go as far to say they are one of the best heads on the planet.
If i build another engine I will definitely use these this time.
There is also a big bore version ls7 head coming out I think next year which is expected to break records for flow and power potential.
03-26-2019, 05:13 AM
#30
Sweet looking cylinder heads by Frankenstein 
I'm sure in the right application they will perform nicely
On Soapbox,
I try to avoid throwing shade and be nice on LS1Tech, generally speaking, however I have to give my .02 on something... Lot's of tuners or tooners lack talent and skill. Often some of them say all sorts of stupid things. Frequently contradicting themselves from one conversion to the next. I never take anything tooners say as proof of anything. Often the tuner really has no details what parts are used or if it's a well planned fully optimized engine build.
Many of the plastic intake manifolds have a tendency to "equalizing" cylinder head because those manifolds will only flow so much air. They become basically restrictor plates.
Shops that do engine builds and tune are a different story. They often have a much more accurate picture of what works and what doesn't. Dyno testing in controlled situations can give an accurate account for the most part of what makes more power doing A to B testing.
I've seen shops that really are in the know do ten dyno pulls on the same part and average the results to get a very accurate picture of what a part is really worth vs another part tested the same way. It's a brutal, demanding and expensive test procedure. There are client's happily pay for that level of diligence and knowledge because you know they like to win in their respective class
Folks often fail to realize that select top shops often really want the top tier customer that averages a minimum yearly income of $ 300,000 + a year. Think in terms of $150,000 per year of disposable income. To those customers $4000 for good heads? Hell, give me 3 sets got to have them for my back up engines too
...and don't kid yourself the minimum number to really race competitively could be a ~ $500,000 minimum income or more...depending on the type of companies.
In some types of motorsports ever hp counts so it's hard to say how much expense is too much for a given gain in hp.
With that said a set of $4,000 heads are definitely out of my budget for my daily drivers Now a $2,000 set of heads is an entirely different story.
That's the great thing about LS engines there are outstanding cylinder heads by GM, ported factory castings, and the aftermarket for practically every application and budget
Off soap box
To the OP, man enjoy those heads! They are a work of art. Wish I could pick up a set too!
I'm sure in the right application they will perform nicely On Soapbox,
I try to avoid throwing shade and be nice on LS1Tech, generally speaking, however I have to give my .02 on something... Lot's of tuners or tooners lack talent and skill. Often some of them say all sorts of stupid things. Frequently contradicting themselves from one conversion to the next. I never take anything tooners say as proof of anything. Often the tuner really has no details what parts are used or if it's a well planned fully optimized engine build.
Many of the plastic intake manifolds have a tendency to "equalizing" cylinder head because those manifolds will only flow so much air. They become basically restrictor plates.
Shops that do engine builds and tune are a different story. They often have a much more accurate picture of what works and what doesn't. Dyno testing in controlled situations can give an accurate account for the most part of what makes more power doing A to B testing.
I've seen shops that really are in the know do ten dyno pulls on the same part and average the results to get a very accurate picture of what a part is really worth vs another part tested the same way. It's a brutal, demanding and expensive test procedure. There are client's happily pay for that level of diligence and knowledge because you know they like to win in their respective class
Folks often fail to realize that select top shops often really want the top tier customer that averages a minimum yearly income of $ 300,000 + a year. Think in terms of $150,000 per year of disposable income. To those customers $4000 for good heads? Hell, give me 3 sets got to have them for my back up engines too
...and don't kid yourself the minimum number to really race competitively could be a ~ $500,000 minimum income or more...depending on the type of companies.
In some types of motorsports ever hp counts so it's hard to say how much expense is too much for a given gain in hp.
With that said a set of $4,000 heads are definitely out of my budget for my daily drivers
Now a $2,000 set of heads is an entirely different story.That's the great thing about LS engines there are outstanding cylinder heads by GM, ported factory castings, and the aftermarket for practically every application and budget
Off soap box
To the OP, man enjoy those heads! They are a work of art. Wish I could pick up a set too!
Last edited by 99 Black Bird T/A; 03-26-2019 at 05:41 AM.
03-26-2019, 01:02 PM
#31
Sweet looking cylinder heads by Frankenstein I'm sure in the right application they will perform nicely
On Soapbox,
I try to avoid throwing shade and be nice on LS1Tech, generally speaking, however I have to give my .02 on something... Lot's of tuners or tooners lack talent and skill. Often some of them say all sorts of stupid things. Frequently contradicting themselves from one conversion to the next. I never take anything tooners say as proof of anything. Often the tuner really has no details what parts are used or if it's a well planned fully optimized engine build.
Many of the plastic intake manifolds have a tendency to "equalizing" cylinder head because those manifolds will only flow so much air. They become basically restrictor plates.
Shops that do engine builds and tune are a different story. They often have a much more accurate picture of what works and what doesn't. Dyno testing in controlled situations can give an accurate account for the most part of what makes more power doing A to B testing.
I've seen shops that really are in the know do ten dyno pulls on the same part and average the results to get a very accurate picture of what a part is really worth vs another part tested the same way. It's a brutal, demanding and expensive test procedure. There are client's happily pay for that level of diligence and knowledge because you know they like to win in their respective class
Folks often fail to realize that select top shops often really want the top tier customer that averages a minimum yearly income of $ 300,000 + a year. Think in terms of $150,000 per year of disposable income. To those customers $4000 for good heads? Hell, give me 3 sets got to have them for my back up engines too
...and don't kid yourself the minimum number to really race competitively could be a ~ $500,000 minimum income or more...depending on the type of companies.
In some types of motorsports ever hp counts so it's hard to say how much expense is too much for a given gain in hp.
With that said a set of $4,000 heads are definitely out of my budget for my daily drivers Now a $2,000 set of heads is an entirely different story.
That's the great thing about LS engines there are outstanding cylinder heads by GM, ported factory castings, and the aftermarket for practically every application and budget
Off soap box
To the OP, man enjoy those heads! They are a work of art. Wish I could pick up a set too!
I'm sure in the right application they will perform nicely On Soapbox,
I try to avoid throwing shade and be nice on LS1Tech, generally speaking, however I have to give my .02 on something... Lot's of tuners or tooners lack talent and skill. Often some of them say all sorts of stupid things. Frequently contradicting themselves from one conversion to the next. I never take anything tooners say as proof of anything. Often the tuner really has no details what parts are used or if it's a well planned fully optimized engine build.
Many of the plastic intake manifolds have a tendency to "equalizing" cylinder head because those manifolds will only flow so much air. They become basically restrictor plates.
Shops that do engine builds and tune are a different story. They often have a much more accurate picture of what works and what doesn't. Dyno testing in controlled situations can give an accurate account for the most part of what makes more power doing A to B testing.
I've seen shops that really are in the know do ten dyno pulls on the same part and average the results to get a very accurate picture of what a part is really worth vs another part tested the same way. It's a brutal, demanding and expensive test procedure. There are client's happily pay for that level of diligence and knowledge because you know they like to win in their respective class
Folks often fail to realize that select top shops often really want the top tier customer that averages a minimum yearly income of $ 300,000 + a year. Think in terms of $150,000 per year of disposable income. To those customers $4000 for good heads? Hell, give me 3 sets got to have them for my back up engines too
...and don't kid yourself the minimum number to really race competitively could be a ~ $500,000 minimum income or more...depending on the type of companies.
In some types of motorsports ever hp counts so it's hard to say how much expense is too much for a given gain in hp.
With that said a set of $4,000 heads are definitely out of my budget for my daily drivers
Now a $2,000 set of heads is an entirely different story.That's the great thing about LS engines there are outstanding cylinder heads by GM, ported factory castings, and the aftermarket for practically every application and budget
Off soap box
To the OP, man enjoy those heads! They are a work of art. Wish I could pick up a set too!
03-26-2019, 02:01 PM
#32
The attention to detail on those is phenomenal. The o ringed exhaust ports and o ringed valve cover gaskets are a really nice touch, they even drilled access holes to dig out the o ring. Every hole on the sealing surface is nicely chamfered etc.. There's plenty of reasons those heads cost what they do and I applaud Frankenstein for bringing a new level to the game.
I'll agree you can likely get 80-90% of the power for 50% of the cost. But the market that these heads are for aren't for those guys that want that 80-90% for 50%, and Frankenstein isn't focused on those folks. The people that complain about these heads aren't the people that will be buying them. I do not have the bank account for heads like these, but you won't see me bitching about them either. Be like me bitching about lambo prices. The people that can afford them don't care about what they cost. And those people are Lambo's focus, not us. I personally don't care, they don't owe me anything.
Thanks for sharing pics OP, I've been wanting to see more detailed shots of those heads. At this point I'd just love to have anything by Frankenstein on one of my vehicles.
I'll agree you can likely get 80-90% of the power for 50% of the cost. But the market that these heads are for aren't for those guys that want that 80-90% for 50%, and Frankenstein isn't focused on those folks. The people that complain about these heads aren't the people that will be buying them. I do not have the bank account for heads like these, but you won't see me bitching about them either. Be like me bitching about lambo prices. The people that can afford them don't care about what they cost. And those people are Lambo's focus, not us. I personally don't care, they don't owe me anything.
Thanks for sharing pics OP, I've been wanting to see more detailed shots of those heads. At this point I'd just love to have anything by Frankenstein on one of my vehicles.
03-27-2019, 09:22 AM
#33
There is more options for sure some that are looking for best bang for the buck will not want to look this way. In my personal opinion I've always liked what FED has produced over the years and these New F-Series are in house U.S. made is what gets me even more excited and bought 2 sets I will share what my builds and out come.
I will share what my builds and out come.
03-27-2019, 09:31 AM
#34
Not me but my tuner has.
He has fitted everything from Mast Motorsport black label heads, AFR Mongoose, Trickflow etc.
He laughs when his customers spend all those thousands of dollars on those expensive heads when they don't make much more power than a set of CNC ported castings.
Down here in Australia, we have state of the art small bore LS7 heads that rival or exceed the low lift flow rates of the best cathedral heads out there.
These heads have super strong low and mid range torque and in the top end they are unmatched..
They feature a 3/4 thick deck for high boost levels and there are 4 and 6 bolt mains versions.
They are half the cost, are made with the same aluminium alloy, and make more power.
I would even go as far to say they are one of the best heads on the planet.
If i build another engine I will definitely use these this time.
There is also a big bore version ls7 head coming out I think next year which is expected to break records for flow and power potential.
He has fitted everything from Mast Motorsport black label heads, AFR Mongoose, Trickflow etc.
He laughs when his customers spend all those thousands of dollars on those expensive heads when they don't make much more power than a set of CNC ported castings.
Down here in Australia, we have state of the art small bore LS7 heads that rival or exceed the low lift flow rates of the best cathedral heads out there.
These heads have super strong low and mid range torque and in the top end they are unmatched..
They feature a 3/4 thick deck for high boost levels and there are 4 and 6 bolt mains versions.
They are half the cost, are made with the same aluminium alloy, and make more power.
I would even go as far to say they are one of the best heads on the planet.
If i build another engine I will definitely use these this time.
There is also a big bore version ls7 head coming out I think next year which is expected to break records for flow and power potential.
04-01-2019, 01:46 PM
#39
Chris took the best of all aspects looked at and incorporated it into these heads. Ain't no land down under who has what's being done here buddy. Name the company? Higgins? 1 small company made a small bore ls7 head if I'm not mistaken. Nothing spectacular trust me. Called and talked with Tim and Martin @ FED. Chris was busy. . I'm the guy wanting a Porter's set... they said maybe 2 yrs. I know I can get them..btw. Was told to use the f310 ls3 head. Told them I don't use ls3 intakes. LMAO. I make heads I don't buy them.
Best standard port Ls head layout available!
Best standard port Ls head layout available!
Last edited by Smokey B; 04-01-2019 at 02:39 PM.