What would you build with $50k
07-24-2020, 02:45 PM
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What would you build with $50k Bench race time.
What stupid idea do you have for a motor that you can't afford to build?
I want to build a 3.250 stroke LS7 with a 2650 blower that makes 900whp at 8000+ rpm...because yes. 900whp and no more than 550-600 ft lb at the tire in the midrange. Would **** **** up on the street. That big of a blower would never run out of air on a smaller engine it would rev forever.
I also want to build one of these mountain motor 468's, but a drag engine that can actually breath properly. Partnering with someone like FED I think you could make 900+ horsepower on pump gas with enough airflow. That would start putting to shame a lot of BBC's out there in a much smaller and lighter package. I don't think the 468 should be too bad durability wise either - definitely could last a few seasons of racing I think if revs stayed in the 7500 and below range.
Lastly I dream of building my own electrified platform with a hybrid setup in my own LS swapped car. A small 400V hybrid setup that could add ~100-150 horsepower, but more importantly use it for traction control, braking improvements, trolling around without the engine running, and obviously filling in on acceleration. Not a huge capacity - more like a spot filler KERS type system that you can charge when you're driving hard and regens on braking. I think there is a LOT that can be done with a performance hybrid setup on a drag car too.
What stupid idea do you have for a motor that you can't afford to build?
I want to build a 3.250 stroke LS7 with a 2650 blower that makes 900whp at 8000+ rpm...because yes. 900whp and no more than 550-600 ft lb at the tire in the midrange. Would **** **** up on the street. That big of a blower would never run out of air on a smaller engine it would rev forever.
I also want to build one of these mountain motor 468's, but a drag engine that can actually breath properly. Partnering with someone like FED I think you could make 900+ horsepower on pump gas with enough airflow. That would start putting to shame a lot of BBC's out there in a much smaller and lighter package. I don't think the 468 should be too bad durability wise either - definitely could last a few seasons of racing I think if revs stayed in the 7500 and below range.
Lastly I dream of building my own electrified platform with a hybrid setup in my own LS swapped car. A small 400V hybrid setup that could add ~100-150 horsepower, but more importantly use it for traction control, braking improvements, trolling around without the engine running, and obviously filling in on acceleration. Not a huge capacity - more like a spot filler KERS type system that you can charge when you're driving hard and regens on braking. I think there is a LOT that can be done with a performance hybrid setup on a drag car too.
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07-24-2020, 02:49 PM
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Bench race time.
What stupid idea do you have for a motor that you can't afford to build?
I want to build a 3.250 stroke LS7 with a 2650 blower that makes 900whp at 8000+ rpm...because yes. 900whp and no more than 550-600 ft lb at the tire in the midrange. Would **** **** up on the street. That big of a blower would never run out of air on a smaller engine it would rev forever.
I also want to build one of these mountain motor 468's, but a drag engine that can actually breath properly. Partnering with someone like FED I think you could make 900+ horsepower on pump gas with enough airflow. That would start putting to shame a lot of BBC's out there in a much smaller and lighter package. I don't think the 468 should be too bad durability wise either - definitely could last a few seasons of racing I think if revs stayed in the 7500 and below range.
Lastly I dream of building my own electrified platform with a hybrid setup in my own LS swapped car. A small 400V hybrid setup that could add ~100-150 horsepower, but more importantly use it for traction control, braking improvements, trolling around without the engine running, and obviously filling in on acceleration. Not a huge capacity - more like a spot filler KERS type system that you can charge when you're driving hard and regens on braking. I think there is a LOT that can be done with a performance hybrid setup on a drag car too.
What stupid idea do you have for a motor that you can't afford to build?
I want to build a 3.250 stroke LS7 with a 2650 blower that makes 900whp at 8000+ rpm...because yes. 900whp and no more than 550-600 ft lb at the tire in the midrange. Would **** **** up on the street. That big of a blower would never run out of air on a smaller engine it would rev forever.
I also want to build one of these mountain motor 468's, but a drag engine that can actually breath properly. Partnering with someone like FED I think you could make 900+ horsepower on pump gas with enough airflow. That would start putting to shame a lot of BBC's out there in a much smaller and lighter package. I don't think the 468 should be too bad durability wise either - definitely could last a few seasons of racing I think if revs stayed in the 7500 and below range.
Lastly I dream of building my own electrified platform with a hybrid setup in my own LS swapped car. A small 400V hybrid setup that could add ~100-150 horsepower, but more importantly use it for traction control, braking improvements, trolling around without the engine running, and obviously filling in on acceleration. Not a huge capacity - more like a spot filler KERS type system that you can charge when you're driving hard and regens on braking. I think there is a LOT that can be done with a performance hybrid setup on a drag car too.
07-24-2020, 02:58 PM
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I want to a 4.600 bore BBC w/ Reher Morrison heads, pump gas, NA, injected, 9-10000rpm. Shooting for 1300hp on the street on motor. Still haven't figured out what chassis I would it in. Maybe a Bandit Trans Am or a Jag XJS. Something sorta different. Sequential trans too. I want to go beat up turbo guys on straight muscle.
07-24-2020, 03:17 PM
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I want to a 4.600 bore BBC w/ Reher Morrison heads, pump gas, NA, injected, 9-10000rpm. Shooting for 1300hp on the street on motor. Still haven't figured out what chassis I would it in. Maybe a Bandit Trans Am or a Jag XJS. Something sorta different. Sequential trans too. I want to go beat up turbo guys on straight muscle.
It'll be a 4.600 bore 532 when it is put back together. Going to 10.5:1 compression and a few more tweaks here and there. He spec'ed a 561 for a buddy that made 860 flywheel, hoping to beat that with the 532. 4" stroke BBC's are magical. Everyone wants to shove a 4.5" stroke in everything and build 582's or bigger and they wind up being a little underwhelming most of the time.
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DualQuadDave (07-24-2020)
07-24-2020, 05:16 PM
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Well..if I could build anything that’s just “stupid” I’d commission ProLine to build me a 572 inch 481X billet AJPE block and head deal with steel rods that would be de-tuned for the street. Twins of course and shoot for 2k to the tire in my Chevelle. I’m 25 minutes from them and believe me guys, the place is filled with billet eye candy.
EDIT...just realized you said $50k. Forget everything I just said...
EDIT...just realized you said $50k. Forget everything I just said...
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07-24-2020, 05:18 PM
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Noonan Water cooled block - Tall deck option for the bigger cam bearings and journals
4.190 x 4.000
RFD LSR heads
Dragonslayer CCW crank
Oliver Rods
Jesel belt drive timing set, lifters, rockers, etc
Ferrea valves with nice long valve stems to set up for 1.000" lift
And an oil pan made of unobtanium, since I'll never afford this sucker...
TBH, I think if I had 50K to dump into a motor, I would keep saving for a 481x build. Water cooled version by Steve Morris.
4.190 x 4.000
RFD LSR heads
Dragonslayer CCW crank
Oliver Rods
Jesel belt drive timing set, lifters, rockers, etc
Ferrea valves with nice long valve stems to set up for 1.000" lift
And an oil pan made of unobtanium, since I'll never afford this sucker...
TBH, I think if I had 50K to dump into a motor, I would keep saving for a 481x build. Water cooled version by Steve Morris.
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07-24-2020, 05:33 PM
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Well..if I could build anything that’s just “stupid” I’d commission ProLine to build me a 572 inch 481X billet AJPE block and head deal with steel rods that would be de-tuned for the street. Twins of course and shoot for 2k to the tire in my Chevelle. I’m 25 minutes from them and believe me guys, the place is filled with billet eye candy.
EDIT...just realized you said $50k. Forget everything I just said...
EDIT...just realized you said $50k. Forget everything I just said...
I'd love to do Rocky Mountain Race Week sometime. I've been to Colorado twice and it is absolutely beautiful to just drive around. I also would love to build a chassis car that is streetable enough to drive to some events. A guy out West out here has a diesel powered Chevelle that tows his small trailer behind it and has won multiple NHRA events in index classes. Diesel isn't my jam, but the idea of driving your car onto the property and cleaning up definitely would be fun!
https://www.dragzine.com/features/dr...ered-chevelle/
07-24-2020, 09:09 PM
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I'd spend 50k as follows on my 72 Vette:
$15,000 - strip & repaint
$5,000 - Fikse FM10's & tires
$6,000 - RPM Transmission Level 6 4L60e w/Yank SS3600
$2,500 - carbon fiber drivershaft & half shafts
$2,500 - Wilwood brake & rotor upgrade
$6,000 - seats, carpet, interior trim, & new window glass
$13,000 - HPR 454 LS long block
awww **** ran out of money and still need headers, intake & fuel system...lol
$15,000 - strip & repaint
$5,000 - Fikse FM10's & tires
$6,000 - RPM Transmission Level 6 4L60e w/Yank SS3600
$2,500 - carbon fiber drivershaft & half shafts
$2,500 - Wilwood brake & rotor upgrade
$6,000 - seats, carpet, interior trim, & new window glass
$13,000 - HPR 454 LS long block
awww **** ran out of money and still need headers, intake & fuel system...lol
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07-24-2020, 09:12 PM
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Did you spell 468 incorrectly?
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Che70velle (07-24-2020)
07-24-2020, 10:38 PM
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Yeah, the 481x is a bad ************. I actually posted a similar "what if" thread on YB a while back. The best bang for the buck is a detuned DRCE turns out. I do want to actually build this, but I want to stay BBC architecture for ease of a lot of other things. I would reverse engineer this all the way. I would pick the bore size, then the heads, and figure out intended rpm range and calculate what piston speed is optimal and let that dictate the stroke.
Now if it was an LS platform, I would not spend 50k on it in the first place, but 25k sure. LS is bore/intake limited. I would pick the rpm range, then the intake and then the heads and calculate from there. Billet/Dart/Brodix everything, basically.
Now if it was an LS platform, I would not spend 50k on it in the first place, but 25k sure. LS is bore/intake limited. I would pick the rpm range, then the intake and then the heads and calculate from there. Billet/Dart/Brodix everything, basically.
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07-25-2020, 02:59 AM
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I like the fantasy.
If i had 50 k USD lets see....
I would start off with Dart aluminium billet block.
Most likely a 434 like I have now.
I would use a callies 8 counterweight way billet crank with their high end I beam rods.
JE pistons to match.
A twin/single turbo setup.
Boost would get turned way up to see what it could make.
Haven't decided on max rpm yet.
If i had 50 k USD lets see....
I would start off with Dart aluminium billet block.
Most likely a 434 like I have now.
I would use a callies 8 counterweight way billet crank with their high end I beam rods.
JE pistons to match.
A twin/single turbo setup.
Boost would get turned way up to see what it could make.
Haven't decided on max rpm yet.
07-25-2020, 06:07 AM
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If was a Ls, it would be the Iron Dart Next 2 block, Winberg billet crank, oliver rods, Ross pistons, Dart reversed port canted valved race heads with Jessel pro series shaft rockers, matching intake, or CID heads and intake still with Jessels, C&S blow thru dominator, a 121 F3 Pro Charger, and the Holley Dominator ignition system.
That will bring you in, right at $50,000
Only problem with that is, you will need another $50,000 for a Chassis to get it to the ground. Lol
That will bring you in, right at $50,000
Only problem with that is, you will need another $50,000 for a Chassis to get it to the ground. Lol
07-25-2020, 06:34 AM
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Well $50,000 doesn't actually go very far in the race world, but I'm going a different route with it...
$15,000 Used Silverado or Sierra truck.
$7,000 enclosed car trailer
$4,000 New/larger procharger head unit (sell my current D1x to get half the money back so a net cost of $2000)
$26,000 Pay a shop to fab a 4 link and narrowed 9" to get replace the crappy IRS in my GTO as well as install an 8 point cage.
Then sell my current drive line including all DSS parts and suspension parts plus built 4l60E and switch to a built 4l80E.
$15,000 Used Silverado or Sierra truck.
$7,000 enclosed car trailer
$4,000 New/larger procharger head unit (sell my current D1x to get half the money back so a net cost of $2000)
$26,000 Pay a shop to fab a 4 link and narrowed 9" to get replace the crappy IRS in my GTO as well as install an 8 point cage.
Then sell my current drive line including all DSS parts and suspension parts plus built 4l60E and switch to a built 4l80E.
07-26-2020, 02:19 AM
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07-26-2020, 06:06 AM
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Originally Posted by bortous
Is that right?
Well let's see what you got.
Well let's see what you got.