Gauging Interest in L-92 Sheet Metal Intake
04-30-2006, 04:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Wet 1
What about under the hood of a C5? If yes, and you're going to offer in a LS7 port config, I'm down.
Also, those of you complaining about the price are out of your minds! You can't touch a sheet metal intake for these prices.
04-30-2006, 06:38 PM
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Mizfit,
Is there any reason the fuel rails we already have wont work? Im just asking cause i already have a set of rails, and a TB. Can you PM me a price for just the intake.
My motor should be selling soon, once it does im prolly going to get one of these from you. Is the prototype done yet? I want to see what it flows.
Please PM me, thanks
Ed
Is there any reason the fuel rails we already have wont work? Im just asking cause i already have a set of rails, and a TB. Can you PM me a price for just the intake.
My motor should be selling soon, once it does im prolly going to get one of these from you. Is the prototype done yet? I want to see what it flows.
Please PM me, thanks
Ed
04-30-2006, 09:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Dune-LS1
True... A 105mm T/B is a waste of money on a 400-427 engine... Maybe a 95mm on a all out high-rev 427 but that's about it. JMHO.
04-30-2006, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by billybob77036
Are you refering to n/a and f/i setups? If so I would debate that
N/A F/I... Debate away. And no speculation please. I want hard data.<( i.e, facts)
F/I = Fuel injected, btw. <(To me anyway)
04-30-2006, 11:17 PM
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N/A F/I... Debate away. And no speculation please. I want hard data.<( i.e, facts)
a f/i (forced induction) setup will make more power with the least amount of restriction you can get. When you turn the boost up you are only creating more restriction to the air you are force feeding the motor. Why would you want to do this?
Try this example to understand why in a f/i (thats a turbo or a supercharger once again
) needs a larger tb.Take a straw and blow through it in a controled way, so that you can hold a steady stream. For our example this would be like sending 15lbs through a 90mm tb.
Now take a roll of toilet paper and blow through the tube using the same amount of force. You will have the same air movement (same amount of air) but with less restriction (with a lower boost number) making it easier on the motor. This makes it more easy to move a larger amount of air, should you want to increase the boost.
Clear as mud?
04-30-2006, 11:37 PM
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Originally Posted by billybob77036
I have learned this by playing with turboed applications for the last 5 years. I don't need data to make most understand this concept. There could always be a first though.
a f/i (forced induction) setup will make more power with the least amount of restriction you can get. When you turn the boost up you are only creating more restriction to the air you are force feeding the motor. Why would you want to do this?
Try this example to understand why in a f/i (thats a turbo or a supercharger once again ) needs a larger tb.
Take a straw and blow through it in a controled way, so that you can hold a steady stream. For our example this would be like sending 15lbs through a 90mm tb.
Now take a roll of toilet paper and blow through the tube using the same amount of force. You will have the same air movement (same amount of air) but with less restriction (with a lower boost number) making it easier on the motor. This makes it more easy to move a larger amount of air, should you want to increase the boost.
Clear as mud?
a f/i (forced induction) setup will make more power with the least amount of restriction you can get. When you turn the boost up you are only creating more restriction to the air you are force feeding the motor. Why would you want to do this?
Try this example to understand why in a f/i (thats a turbo or a supercharger once again
) needs a larger tb.Take a straw and blow through it in a controled way, so that you can hold a steady stream. For our example this would be like sending 15lbs through a 90mm tb.
Now take a roll of toilet paper and blow through the tube using the same amount of force. You will have the same air movement (same amount of air) but with less restriction (with a lower boost number) making it easier on the motor. This makes it more easy to move a larger amount of air, should you want to increase the boost.
Clear as mud?
Hey Muddy. Like I said, "F/I= Fuel injection."... Not forced induction. Your turbo lesson was not needed.
and unnecessary. 
04-30-2006, 11:54 PM
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Originally Posted by Dune-LS1
Hey Muddy. Like I said, "F/I= Fuel injection."... Not forced induction. Your turbo lesson was not needed. and unnecessary.
and unnecessary.
We may just take the TB out of the price. This way allowing you to pick your own.
05-01-2006, 01:26 AM
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Originally Posted by billybob77036
You stated a bigger tb is not needed. I gave you an example of where it would be needed.
I think that would be a great idea.
I think that would be a great idea.
Look dude, you didn't give me squat! The topic is F/I = Fuel injected, N/A = Normally aspirated, sheet metal intakes and the T/B = throttle body's that are used on them. I said, and I STILL say that you don't a T/B over 90mm on an engine displacing 427 cubic inches or less. If you want to debate THAT, then you are "on topic" with this thread... I CLEARLY stated the F/I = "fuel injected "to me!" ... Nuff said!
btw, the price quoted on this sheet metal intake is a smokin' deal! Most sheet metal intakes "start" at around $2,500.00
05-01-2006, 01:29 AM
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Both of you ******* need to keep this thread on topic. no offense but seriously guys bicker about the bullshit of bigger throttle bodies in another thread.
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05-01-2006, 02:56 AM
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1.) I think this sheet metal intake will be a great thing. There are not many choices out there right now and I think this product will have a great place in the market, even more so when you look at the choices of tb's.
2.) There are applications that need something larger then a 90mm.
Build the damn things already.
Dune,
If you have anything else to say, please take it to PM's.
2.) There are applications that need something larger then a 90mm.
Build the damn things already.
Dune,
If you have anything else to say, please take it to PM's.
05-01-2006, 07:55 AM
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Originally Posted by Mizfit MotorSports
Thank you
Look we developed this kit for the main reason of getting these setup out there and together. We cut the normal price of sheet metal intakes in half so I can't understand why the complaining about the price. When we started this there was no other option as far as intakes goes but it sounds like GM will have one coming out soon which is great and hopefully it will flow pretty well and so we can keep this new L92 top end cheap, but to say the package we were going to put together is overpriced then that is crazy. I have never seen anyone else do something like this as cheap as we have. We will be putting this intake on a car in the next few weeks to see how it does and when we do we will post up some results for you guys to judge if this kit is worth it or not.
Look we developed this kit for the main reason of getting these setup out there and together. We cut the normal price of sheet metal intakes in half so I can't understand why the complaining about the price. When we started this there was no other option as far as intakes goes but it sounds like GM will have one coming out soon which is great and hopefully it will flow pretty well and so we can keep this new L92 top end cheap, but to say the package we were going to put together is overpriced then that is crazy. I have never seen anyone else do something like this as cheap as we have. We will be putting this intake on a car in the next few weeks to see how it does and when we do we will post up some results for you guys to judge if this kit is worth it or not.
but you're trying to sell a sheetmetal intake to a bunch of guys that are trying to build a very budget motor.. most of them for more street then strip.
your package is NOT over priced for what it is.. its a crazy great deal.
however, its priced itself out of its market.. if i had enough cash sitting around to dump on that setup, i would be looking at other heads anyway...
you're doing a excelent job keeping the price down.. and i dont want to discourage that.. but im just trying to put it in perspective.. i mean a sheetmetal intake is overkill for most of us anyway... 800 was a lil high for me.. no way im paying more then that. it just prices it out of the budget...
05-01-2006, 09:16 AM
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MrDude I think the gm intake will be a great option for you and I hope it flows well.
If you were to by these heads complete and even get port work done plus this intake kit you will have a complete top end for the price of those different heads you talk about, ie LS7. It looks like there are going to be 2 options of budget setups:
Option 1 very budget: which are these heads in completely stock form plus the cheapest manifold on the market which will be equal to the Ls6 manifold most likely.
Form around a $1000 or so.
Option 2 semi-budget: Which when available these heads ported in complete form (which I'm sure will give any head that flows 340-350 a run for their money) and an complete intake system that will flow the best available on the market. Around $2500-3000
This situtation is a lot like the current Ls1/Ls6 heads when going for a Ls6 intake or a FAST and even if people think the FAST is overpriced I still see people buying a lot of them and now we are offering them a step up from the FAST for damn near the same price so I think you just need to ask your self which option you are shooting for and then we won't have to debate if this kit is a good deal.
So anyone looking to go after option 2 you may want to consider this Kit.
Also as far as the TB goes we will just have to wait for some testing either from us or maybe you guys could help us out as well.
If you were to by these heads complete and even get port work done plus this intake kit you will have a complete top end for the price of those different heads you talk about, ie LS7. It looks like there are going to be 2 options of budget setups:
Option 1 very budget: which are these heads in completely stock form plus the cheapest manifold on the market which will be equal to the Ls6 manifold most likely.
Form around a $1000 or so.
Option 2 semi-budget: Which when available these heads ported in complete form (which I'm sure will give any head that flows 340-350 a run for their money) and an complete intake system that will flow the best available on the market. Around $2500-3000
This situtation is a lot like the current Ls1/Ls6 heads when going for a Ls6 intake or a FAST and even if people think the FAST is overpriced I still see people buying a lot of them and now we are offering them a step up from the FAST for damn near the same price so I think you just need to ask your self which option you are shooting for and then we won't have to debate if this kit is a good deal.
So anyone looking to go after option 2 you may want to consider this Kit.
Also as far as the TB goes we will just have to wait for some testing either from us or maybe you guys could help us out as well.
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05-01-2006, 09:31 AM
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So why not offer this for the LS7 heads as well??? That way you're capturing the majority of the market which WILL spend a little more for the intake to capitalize on every last hp. I would think the LS7 market is where the demand (and $) would be, not here.
05-01-2006, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by Mizfit MotorSports
Well we are finishing our LS7 project up right now and once we post results we may have so new info to go along with it. So stay tuned...