2009 LTX Shootout classes and rules have been posted
11-25-2008, 08:55 PM
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Tire, transmission, and intake manifold are the main limiting factors for this class....if we allowed any tire or trans options in Extreme street this would allow many cars that should be running in the Modified class to drop down to ES and dominate the AVG guy.
11-26-2008, 12:10 PM
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...yes the auto will still have an advantage...but there is no need to widen that gap by allowing non-OE transmissions 
11-27-2008, 07:00 AM
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Nope, its no longer a bolt-on car, I gave John P the heads-up after I ran the 11.50/11.48 that I'm not going that direction any longer. I'm not sure of everything I'm doing to it yet but it will be a changed animal next year. I'd like to make the show however I'm not sure it will even be lt1 powered.
11-27-2008, 12:34 PM
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Fastest lt1 6 speed is taner PERIOD (Taner-9.27@151.20,96 SS 399ci Harshaw Racing Engine,
Full BMR suspension. Quickest and Fastest M6 F body. Then there is
Madman-9.18@154,96 Firebird, 380ci LT1 with GTP AFR 215s not a stick
Dave DiLuca "SLED28"-9.11@155, 396 LT1, AFR's, TNT Fogger, 3415lbs not a stick
Spray-9.08@159.7mph, 95 Z28 383 LT1, TH-400, N20 Not a stick
Joey Kenville 9.04@150, 97 camaro, th400, 396 speedtech plate, 3100lbs Not a stick
And those are just the people who run spray cars that are comparable with taners setup. There are even more people that are way faster but there boosted. Show me a 6 speed that can pull the wheels like this on a Mt et street radial.
For every fast 6 speed there is about 100 faster automatic cars.
I love the 6 speed don't get me wrong but in drag racing autos are where its at sorry to burst your bubble. Look at mighty mouse running a 4l80E to a 8.79 at 159 ask him if he would ever go back to his stick.
Full BMR suspension. Quickest and Fastest M6 F body. Then there is
Madman-9.18@154,96 Firebird, 380ci LT1 with GTP AFR 215s not a stick
Dave DiLuca "SLED28"-9.11@155, 396 LT1, AFR's, TNT Fogger, 3415lbs not a stick
Spray-9.08@159.7mph, 95 Z28 383 LT1, TH-400, N20 Not a stick
Joey Kenville 9.04@150, 97 camaro, th400, 396 speedtech plate, 3100lbs Not a stick
And those are just the people who run spray cars that are comparable with taners setup. There are even more people that are way faster but there boosted. Show me a 6 speed that can pull the wheels like this on a Mt et street radial.
For every fast 6 speed there is about 100 faster automatic cars.
I love the 6 speed don't get me wrong but in drag racing autos are where its at sorry to burst your bubble. Look at mighty mouse running a 4l80E to a 8.79 at 159 ask him if he would ever go back to his stick.
11-27-2008, 01:12 PM
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Fastest lt1 6 speed is taner PERIOD (Taner-9.27@151.20,96 SS 399ci Harshaw Racing Engine,
Full BMR suspension. Quickest and Fastest M6 F body. Then there is
Madman-9.18@154,96 Firebird, 380ci LT1 with GTP AFR 215s not a stick
Dave DiLuca "SLED28"-9.11@155, 396 LT1, AFR's, TNT Fogger, 3415lbs not a stick
Spray-9.08@159.7mph, 95 Z28 383 LT1, TH-400, N20 Not a stick
Joey Kenville 9.04@150, 97 camaro, th400, 396 speedtech plate, 3100lbs Not a stick
And those are just the people who run spray cars that are comparable with taners setup. There are even more people that are way faster but there boosted. Show me a 6 speed that can pull the wheels like this on a Mt et street radial.
For every fast 6 speed there is about 100 faster automatic cars.
I love the 6 speed don't get me wrong but in drag racing autos are where its at sorry to burst your bubble. Look at mighty mouse running a 4l80E to a 8.79 at 159 ask him if he would ever go back to his stick.
Full BMR suspension. Quickest and Fastest M6 F body. Then there is
Madman-9.18@154,96 Firebird, 380ci LT1 with GTP AFR 215s not a stick
Dave DiLuca "SLED28"-9.11@155, 396 LT1, AFR's, TNT Fogger, 3415lbs not a stick
Spray-9.08@159.7mph, 95 Z28 383 LT1, TH-400, N20 Not a stick
Joey Kenville 9.04@150, 97 camaro, th400, 396 speedtech plate, 3100lbs Not a stick
And those are just the people who run spray cars that are comparable with taners setup. There are even more people that are way faster but there boosted. Show me a 6 speed that can pull the wheels like this on a Mt et street radial.
For every fast 6 speed there is about 100 faster automatic cars.
I love the 6 speed don't get me wrong but in drag racing autos are where its at sorry to burst your bubble. Look at mighty mouse running a 4l80E to a 8.79 at 159 ask him if he would ever go back to his stick.
You are wrong.
A manual trans car ALWAYS puts more engine power to the rear wheels vs an auto.
I properly driven, hooking stick car is always quicker because of this alone.
The reason there are more auto cars running quick is because autos are easier on parts. ANd easir to work. No one wants to invest the time or money in making a stick car work PROPERLY. Its hard.
Look at most rules, stick cars get a weight penalty in the real drag racing world. In particular Bruno's, Lenco's, and Liberty type transmissions. Some classes dont allow them AT ALL.
If an auto was quicker, why does a pro stock car run a Liberty? ALL of them?
Most all Outlaw 10.5, Limited street cars run a Bruno. Very few run glides.
EVERY Showroom stock car is quicker with a properly driven stick vs and auto, why? More power to the wheels.
Take a LS1 f body, I have seen with my own eyes a properly driven six speed go 12.90 this was SHOWROOM STOCK, fastest stock auto I have seen 13.50. Takes a good converter get even close to that 12.90.
BTW Taner has since went 9.08 I am pretty sure.
11-27-2008, 01:23 PM
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A stock t56 is very far from a Lenco's and liberty trans. A auto from a dig on the trans brake is going to be very hard to beat for any t56 guy.I stand by my statement. A stick need slicks your going to be very hard pressed to find one that can hook great on radial's, which is why i feel the shootout rules should allow bias ply tires for sticks. I agree that a properly set up stick is fast but they are few and far between and thats why autos rule. You can preach all you want but if sticks are sooooo great how come you run a auto?
11-27-2008, 01:41 PM
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A stock t56 is very far from a Lenco's and liberty trans. A auto from a dig on the trans brake is going to be very hard to beat for any t56 guy.I stand by my statement. A stick need slicks your going to be very hard pressed to find one that can hook great on radial's, which is why i feel the shootout rules should allow bias ply tires for sticks. I agree that a properly set up stick is fast but they are few and far between and thats why autos rule. You can preach all you want but if sticks are sooooo great how come you run a auto?
Taner is running a 23* headed LT1 thats less than 400 inches.
All the guys you showed have 15* headed(minimum) that are 400 plus inches in most likely lighter cars. Taners car aint light.
A stick is a stick is a stick, period. No matter if its a toploader 4 speed, Liberty, T-56. Doesnt matter, they all got clutches.
11-27-2008, 05:58 PM
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I don't want to turn this into a T56 vs Auto debate. All of the really quick LS1 all motor cars run a T56 or some sort of manual. In a street class like the way these are set up though an auto car will have an advantage due to the regulations.