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GoFastKid May 3, 2009 07:09 PM

Sure it's been beaten to death
 
What build would be the better of the two for street application...a built 355 or 383? I have a spare block and want to swap it in my current car after it's built. I don't drag the car. It's a weekend cruiser. I don't know much about either build so please contribute!

My95Z May 3, 2009 07:13 PM

383 will be overall better, but more expensive. If you are buying forged everything (including crank) you should just build a 383 b/c little to no price difference, but if you go 355 you can reuse the stock crank and maybe even rods depending on how aggressive you plan on going.

Elliott's94Z May 3, 2009 07:28 PM

You could get away with the stock crank w/ a 355 build which would save you some money. Labor wise it would be a tad bit more for the 383 build on top of a new crank. The 383 would pump out more torque as well. I'm in the mix of doing a 383. Just need to figure out now if I want to build it for some juice or a ProCharger :)

96lt1m6 May 4, 2009 10:45 AM

TQ is king in my book, so a 383 would fit the bill :D

joelster May 4, 2009 11:28 AM

more cubes= more gooder. It is NEVER a bad thing to have too many cubes under the hood.

Elliott's94Z May 4, 2009 11:39 AM

More Gooder :)

SpeedDensityZ May 4, 2009 11:41 AM

The more cubes you have the more street friendly the car will be. Why do you think the new C6Z06 is 427cid. It's easier to get it to drive like a regular car and make more power.

ss.slp.ls1 May 4, 2009 11:54 AM


Originally Posted by Elliott's94Z (Post 11536618)
You could get away with the stock crank w/ a 355 build which would save you some money. Labor wise it would be a tad bit more for the 383 build on top of a new crank. The 383 would pump out more torque as well. I'm in the mix of doing a 383. Just need to figure out now if I want to build it for some juice or a ProCharger :)

+1. For most people a quality 355 build using the stock crank, forged rods, and forged pistons is more than sufficient for their power goal. Top it off with a nice heads/cam package and you're good to go.

joelster May 4, 2009 02:20 PM


Originally Posted by Elliott's94Z (Post 11539748)
More Gooder :)


I was being silly, lol.

ss.slp.ls1 May 4, 2009 02:24 PM


Originally Posted by joelster (Post 11540577)
I was being silly, lol.

I've got the mostest bestest engine out there. I will not never beat all of you!!!

wrd1972 May 4, 2009 02:40 PM


Originally Posted by Elliott's94Z (Post 11539748)
More Gooder :)

No No NO.
Mo' gooder

street demon2k3 May 4, 2009 03:01 PM

Ideally a 383 would be best overall for reasons metioned already. The only thing that I would be weary about is having some good heads that can feed those extra cubes; there's no use in having a 383 with mediocre heads.

Honestly it all comes down to how much money you have for the build. I would spend some money on a good set of pistons, lighten up the stock crank/rods, ARP bolts througout the bottom end, then use what's left over on a "good" set of heads and custom grind cam.

bombebomb May 4, 2009 04:21 PM

If you have the cash for a 383, go 383.

TravisMcGill2000 May 4, 2009 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by street demon2k3 (Post 11540787)
Ideally a 383 would be best overall for reasons metioned already. The only thing that I would be weary about is having some good heads that can feed those extra cubes; there's no use in having a 383 with mediocre heads.

Honestly it all comes down to how much money you have for the build. I would spend some money on a good set of pistons, lighten up the stock crank/rods, ARP bolts througout the bottom end, then use what's left over on a "good" set of heads and custom grind cam.

wat kind of power could the stock crank/rods hold up to. i was thinking of doing that with heads and cam plus a 100 shot

ss.slp.ls1 May 4, 2009 05:11 PM


Originally Posted by TravisMcGill2000 (Post 11541454)
wat kind of power could the stock crank/rods hold up to. i was thinking of doing that with heads and cam plus a 100 shot

I would get some Compstar rods, some Diamond pistons, and keep your stock crank. Those components along with quality machine work, good bearings & rings and you'd have a stout shortblock. Top it off with some ported heads, beefy cam, quality valvetrain, and a 100 shot, it'd be a real performer.

itSSlowZ28 May 4, 2009 06:37 PM


Originally Posted by ss.slp.ls1 (Post 11541504)
I would get some Compstar rods, some Diamond pistons, and keep your stock crank. Those components along with quality machine work, good bearings & rings and you'd have a stout shortblock. Top it off with some ported heads, beefy cam, quality valvetrain, and a 100 shot, it'd be a real performer.

sounds about like my plans. *sigh* one day...

GoFastKid May 4, 2009 08:50 PM

Sounds like I will spend the few extra bucks and go with a 383. Another question I have is, what Oil pump is recommended with a 383 build? Will I need to run a larger oil pan as well? I see Moroso and Canton make a aftermarket pan...which of the two would be better?

RamAir95TA May 4, 2009 09:04 PM


Originally Posted by GoFastKid (Post 11542675)
Sounds like I will spend the few extra bucks and go with a 383. Another question I have is, what Oil pump is recommended with a 383 build? Will I need to run a larger oil pan as well? I see Moroso and Canton make a aftermarket pan...which of the two would be better?

This solely depends on your builder, but I recommend the larger pan. I chose to go with the Canton 242T for the added oil capacity and plug/play capability. I'm also using a high-volume/pressure pump (Melling Select 10552), per my builder's recommendation.

skinnies May 4, 2009 11:55 PM

Stock crank is a lot stronger than most give it credit, I was ~900 crank HP on mine without a problem.

street demon2k3 May 5, 2009 12:20 AM


Originally Posted by TravisMcGill2000 (Post 11541454)
wat kind of power could the stock crank/rods hold up to. i was thinking of doing that with heads and cam plus a 100 shot

A good friend of mine was running stock crank/rods with speedpro pistons. He had GTP heads/cc306 + 150shot which went 10.76@127mph through a blown 10-bolt. He had gone through a few bottles with the 200shot on there but pilled the car to 150 to stay safe. IIRC the car went 10.4x with a bigger cam on the same shot with its new owner a few years back.


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