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Old 12-05-2014, 09:53 PM
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I can buy a New in box LE grind for a great price - 230/239 & .583/.568 on a 1.6 RR. 109 lsa.
This is a stock head lt1 car, does have all bolt ons and 1 7/8 long tubes, & I will be buying a yank ss3600. I understand the cam isn't very small, and that's why i'm here to ask if that will work fine with my setup. My other choice is just to buy a CC503 off the shelf. Which would work best with my setup? I honestly don't feel that the LE cam is way too far out of the ballpark for a stock head lt1 car, as long as I have the ss3600 yank. But maybe you guys can help me decide if it would be too large? Let's hear it

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Originally Posted by badfbodyz
I can buy a New in box LE grind for a great price - 230/239 & .583/.568 on a 1.6 RR. 109 lsa.
This is a stock head lt1 car, does have all bolt ons and 1 7/8 long tubes, & I will be buying a yank ss3600. I understand the cam isn't very small, and that's why i'm here to ask if that will work fine with my setup. My other choice is just to buy a CC503 off the shelf. Which would work best with my setup? I honestly don't feel that the LE cam is way too far out of the ballpark for a stock head lt1 car, as long as I have the ss3600 yank. But maybe you guys can help me decide if it would be too large? Let's hear it
If you're planning to drive your car on the street, that might be a bit too much cam especially with that 109 LSA. I'm picking up my rebuilt LT-1 next week from Karl Ellwein and I also went with an LE cam. Except for the LSA (mine is 112), the numbers are very similar to yours. You didn't mention what gears your using or the year of the car. I mention the year because if yours happens to be a 92 like mine, you're going to have some limitations when it comes to tuning (stupid EPROM). My motor is a 383 stroker running 11 to 1 compression with Trick Flow 195cc heads ported by LE along with some other goodies. Deciding on the cam was the toughest choice of the entire build, but after talking to Karl, Lloyd and Ed Wright (tuner), I went with the 112 LSA for driveability. I'll know in a couple of weeks whether I picked the right cam.
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Yeah and that 109 lsa is what I don't like the most about this cam. I like everything else. Car is a 96 ws6
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109 drives just fine on a well stalled automatic with proper gearing, it isn't emissions friendly though.
That said it is a bit more duration than I would want in a stock shortblocks, though maybe the stock heads might choke the rpm range down a little for you though, ported I would expect it to want all the rpm the pcm can handle.
What is with the headers meant for a power adder stroker?
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They are just stepped OBX SS headers, 1 3/4" primaries into the 1 7/8". I love these headers. And I have owned numerous sets of LT pacesetters, LPE, Hookers, and one set of kooks. The OBX was designed strait off of the kooks stepped header. They fit like a glove, and do not rub anywhere...After owning all of them, these are the best ones you can get, minus the kooks. Guaranteed by experience. Except these are about $460 shipped instead of $1,000

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And I bought these so I won't be buying headers again later down the road, wishing I went with 1 7/8
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Must be planning a bigger build; sound like a nice header but way too large for a 350
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I agree it's a little large, but one day I will have the top end built to accommodate the headers. But for now the car is going to be a full bolt on, cam only, stalled on a ss3600. Plus the headers are being fed into a 3" ory, and catback. Not true duals
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I have already eliminated this LE cam out of my selection for this car. May not perform well with stock heads with that LSA & duration. I would like for LE or AI to spec out a cam for it, just don't know if I can justify spending $450 for one of those if the gains will only be minimal over a cc503 for much less $. Now if the car had built heads, then a custom grind would be a no brainer
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I'd want something with a bit less duration if it's being used with stock heads and stock 10.5 SCR.

I'm of the opinion that a cam in the range of 225/234, give or take 2 or 3 degrees of duration on either side on a 112 LSA and around .560 lift with 1.6's is just about ideal for a stock-headed N/A setup.

If your intake duration is in the 230 range, you're going to want ported heads and 11:1 compression or higher to be optimum.
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Originally Posted by badfbodyz
I would like for LE or AI to spec out a cam for it, just don't know if I can justify spending $450 for one of those if the gains will only be minimal over a cc503 for much less $.r
My last custom cam from Lloyd was $300, which is pretty much the cost of an off-the-shelf cam. Can't beat that deal in my book. Talk to Lloyd and he'll spec something for exactly the setup and performance you want.
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I see all the discussion and concern about that cam working with stock heads.
I'd be more concerned with its suitability with only a 3600 stall converter. For street fun, the converter will be ok, but for best track performance, it's much too small.
If committed to the SS3600, then yes, I'd rather have a CC503 cam. Similar ET's and better driveability/tuneability/fuel mileage.
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I have emailed Lloyd, will be getting a cam spec'd out for it more suitable for stock heads and ss3600.
I don't want to go too big on the stall, or the cam, since it will always be a street car, a/c and all. But I do obviously want it to be a strong street car, or I wouldn't be going through the trouble of doing any of this.
If I was only going for sound alone, I would just stick in a comp 292 cam in it & call it a day.
This isn't my first LT build, Ive owned around 15 of these cars. Fastest one yet was a Brett Bauer built 383 stroker that had peak power at 7500 rpm's, and 441 rwhp n/a. (M6 car, but numbers through a 9" & 17" street wheels)
But I want this car to still be one that I would gladly still daily drive if I wanted to, and still be able to walk away from most things on the road. Will be nice telling everybody it's just a "cam only lt1"
Also: may put in a little 125 shot on this car " just in case " n20 is an addiction. I need rehab

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