LT1-LT4 Modifications 1993-97 Gen II Small Block V8

Cometic MLS Head Gaskets C5645-027

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 10-11-2017, 07:04 PM
  #1  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
 
NewOrleansLT1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: New Orleans, LA
Posts: 1,707
Received 13 Likes on 9 Posts

Default Cometic MLS Head Gaskets C5645-027

So I’m slowly getting parts to put my 383 together and I’ve been looking at head gaskets.. I’m intrested in the Cometic MLS Head Gaskets C5645-027, but it’s a 4.040 gasket.. Would it be safe to run with them with a 4.030 piston? Any advise? Thanks..
Old 10-11-2017, 09:03 PM
  #2  
Village Troll
iTrader: (2)
 
SS RRR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Jackstandican
Posts: 11,006
Received 518 Likes on 374 Posts

Default

Yes, but why?
Old 10-12-2017, 03:49 PM
  #3  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
 
NewOrleansLT1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: New Orleans, LA
Posts: 1,707
Received 13 Likes on 9 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by SS RRR
Yes, but why?
Well I just realized they have a 4.100 gasket also.. I wanted to run some good quality gaskets that’s all..
Old 10-12-2017, 04:48 PM
  #4  
Village Troll
iTrader: (2)
 
SS RRR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Jackstandican
Posts: 11,006
Received 518 Likes on 374 Posts

Default

I wouldn't bother unless you are going to run crazy cylinder pressure. On a street car the odds could be stacked against you and they could end up leaking. IMO run a Fel-Pro head gasket and be done with it.
Old 10-12-2017, 06:38 PM
  #5  
Launching!
 
Heatmaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 270
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

HG's aren't a "Do you think this should work" part of your engine to fool around with. Match them to the right bore size. Get a quality set of 4.030 gaskets that you're setup calls for. If you're really worried about your HG's use Studs instead of bolts.
Old 10-12-2017, 10:58 PM
  #6  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
 
NewOrleansLT1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: New Orleans, LA
Posts: 1,707
Received 13 Likes on 9 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by SS RRR
I wouldn't bother unless you are going to run crazy cylinder pressure. On a street car the odds could be stacked against you and they could end up leaking. IMO run a Fel-Pro head gasket and be done with it.
So you thkink that particular gasket will leak because of the material it’s made of? I know solid copper head gaskets leak slightly on 14:1 race engines but I didn’t think an MLS gasket would.. What would be a good .026-.030 gasket to run? All I know from Felpro is the 1074 which is .039..
Old 10-12-2017, 11:03 PM
  #7  
10 Second Club
iTrader: (8)
 
TwoFast4Lv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: LT1 land...the "409" of the 90s!
Posts: 10,023
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts

Default

I used to think Fel-Pro was a great gasket. Then I push one out the back of the head.

Now i run custom Cometic's
Old 10-12-2017, 11:10 PM
  #8  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
 
NewOrleansLT1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: New Orleans, LA
Posts: 1,707
Received 13 Likes on 9 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by Heatmaker
HG's aren't a "Do you think this should work" part of your engine to fool around with. Match them to the right bore size. Get a quality set of 4.030 gaskets that you're setup calls for. If you're really worried about your HG's use Studs instead of bolts.
That’s why I’m asking for advise.. I know how thin I need them.. Just was curious on how small a bore I can run.. And a 4.030 bore with a 4.030 gasket is asking for trouble imo..
Old 10-12-2017, 11:30 PM
  #9  
10 Second Club
iTrader: (8)
 
TwoFast4Lv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: LT1 land...the "409" of the 90s!
Posts: 10,023
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts

Default

I would run at least .010 bigger then the bore
Old 10-13-2017, 02:35 AM
  #10  
Launching!
 
Heatmaker's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2005
Posts: 270
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by NewOrleansLT1
That’s why I’m asking for advise.. I know how thin I need them.. Just was curious on how small a bore I can run.. And a 4.030 bore with a 4.030 gasket is asking for trouble imo..
I meant to say 4.040 The name of the game is to match your HG's closest to your engine bore size. If it fits and you have clearance without interference it's a green light. Cometic already has done the thinking for 4.030 users and put out the 4.040 that's their offering for a 4.030 bore. If you know what size and thickness you're looking for and what manufacturer you want to go with then purchase them. You kind of already answered your own question a bit. On the LT1 though using studs is the best choice for buttoning down the heads as extra security. What I was saying is that if you're worried about popping head gaskets and want extra peace of mind upgrade from head bolts to studs too.

and yes HG's or really any engine gasket can be more prone to leaking depending on what material they're made of.

http://www.jegs.com/p/Cometic-Gasket...48863/10002/-1
Old 10-13-2017, 10:18 AM
  #11  
Village Troll
iTrader: (2)
 
SS RRR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Jackstandican
Posts: 11,006
Received 518 Likes on 374 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by NewOrleansLT1
So you thkink that particular gasket will leak because of the material it’s made of? I know solid copper head gaskets leak slightly on 14:1 race engines but I didn’t think an MLS gasket would.. What would be a good .026-.030 gasket to run? All I know from Felpro is the 1074 which is .039..
It's just like any soft metal gasket. There is little margin for error for imperfection on the block/head surfaces, and with liquid under pressure is a constant assault on any weak points. If there are any then they will be found and leak and the only solution is to start over again. As stated, if it's an N/A daily then I wouldn't do cometics. JMO, of course.
As far as thickness, a lot of people have ran the Impala gaskets which I believe are .026.
Old 10-13-2017, 11:44 AM
  #12  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
 
NewOrleansLT1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: New Orleans, LA
Posts: 1,707
Received 13 Likes on 9 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by SS RRR
It's just like any soft metal gasket. There is little margin for error for imperfection on the block/head surfaces, and with liquid under pressure is a constant assault on any weak points. If there are any then they will be found and leak and the only solution is to start over again. As stated, if it's an N/A daily then I wouldn't do cometics. JMO, of course.
As far as thickness, a lot of people have ran the Impala gaskets which I believe are .026.
It’s N/A but my car is FAR from being a daily lol.. What you think about Mr Gasket 5716G?
Old 10-13-2017, 11:48 AM
  #13  
Village Troll
iTrader: (2)
 
SS RRR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Jackstandican
Posts: 11,006
Received 518 Likes on 374 Posts

Default

I have no experience with them. Everything I've ever done was with Fel-Pro. I had cometics on my last engine for about two years before they started leaking. Car was pretty much dailied at that point since it was fun to drive. Do a search on those gaskets and see what comes up.
Old 10-13-2017, 01:39 PM
  #14  
TECH Junkie
iTrader: (31)
 
96lt1m6's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2006
Location: LA$ VEGA$
Posts: 3,782
Likes: 0
Received 2 Likes on 2 Posts

Default

I have had nothing but great luck with FEL-PRO
12.8 compression 482" big block with plenty nitrous to euthanize a small town
406"
383"
350"
Old 10-13-2017, 04:55 PM
  #15  
10 Second Club
iTrader: (8)
 
TwoFast4Lv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: LT1 land...the "409" of the 90s!
Posts: 10,023
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by NewOrleansLT1
It’s N/A but my car is FAR from being a daily lol.. What you think about Mr Gasket 5716G?
make sure your pistons are .015 or more down the hole. Factory is usually .024-.028.

I have ran as tight as .035 piston to head but is as close as I would ever go.
Old 10-13-2017, 05:08 PM
  #16  
10 Second Club
iTrader: (8)
 
TwoFast4Lv's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2001
Location: LT1 land...the "409" of the 90s!
Posts: 10,023
Received 6 Likes on 5 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by 96lt1m6
I have had nothing but great luck with FEL-PRO
12.8 compression 482" big block with plenty nitrous to euthanize a small town
406"
383"
350"
Fel Pro FTW!
Attached Thumbnails Cometic MLS Head Gaskets C5645-027-07sept04024.jpg   Cometic MLS Head Gaskets C5645-027-07sept04025.jpg   Cometic MLS Head Gaskets C5645-027-07sept04028.jpg   Cometic MLS Head Gaskets C5645-027-07sept04029.jpg  
Old 10-13-2017, 06:03 PM
  #17  
Village Troll
iTrader: (2)
 
SS RRR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Jackstandican
Posts: 11,006
Received 518 Likes on 374 Posts

Default

lol. didn’t work for you so they’re no good, br golly!11
Who is to say it wasn’t from shitty machine work?
Old 10-13-2017, 06:18 PM
  #18  
11 Second Club
Thread Starter
 
NewOrleansLT1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: New Orleans, LA
Posts: 1,707
Received 13 Likes on 9 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by TwoFast4Lv
make sure your pistons are .015 or more down the hole. Factory is usually .024-.028.

I have ran as tight as .035 piston to head but is as close as I would ever go.
The block is 0 decked with forged SRP 5cc pistons..
Old 10-13-2017, 06:19 PM
  #19  
TECH Enthusiast
iTrader: (4)
 
Nostang's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2003
Location: Gilbert, AZ
Posts: 544
Received 3 Likes on 3 Posts

Default

I am running Cometic .027 4.060 bore gaskets on my 383 with the piston .006 in the hole (.033 quench). The gaskets seem to work fine but my head studs seeped a little bit for the first 500 miles.
Old 10-13-2017, 06:20 PM
  #20  
Village Troll
iTrader: (2)
 
SS RRR's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2002
Location: Jackstandican
Posts: 11,006
Received 518 Likes on 374 Posts

Default

Originally Posted by NewOrleansLT1
The block is 0 decked with forged SRP 5cc pistons..
rule of thumb is a .040 quench. going any thinner will be of no benefit.


Quick Reply: Cometic MLS Head Gaskets C5645-027



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:07 AM.