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Old 07-10-2007, 02:00 PM
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Well im clutch shopping currently and im wonderin how much clutch would be too much clutch for my current set up. Everyone is saying the Spec 3 clutch isnt too good of a clutch but the spec 3+ is alot better?? Help me out here. lol
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question is a bit general. How much power are you planning. Buddy just put in spec 3 and it seems to be working good for him. Pretty streetable, fairly high pedal pressure, he has only around 420 or so engine hp right now. He has 1000 miles on it. Another buddy has 500 hp and a spec 3 with lots of miles. He likes his too.
I went overkill on a twin disc textralia and not really likeing it that much and hoping it breaks in more. Otherwise it might be coming out or changing discs in it or something.
The standard tex is supposed to be a great clutch..0z700 with x disc for more street and z pad for more race orientation. I likley should have went with that. And if you aren't tracking the car the ls7 clutch seems to be fine.
3 plus does sound like it might have even less pedal pressure than the 3 and is rated higher it might be a real winner.
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How much power are you looking to produce? The 3+ is rough during break in for around 1000 miles but the more you drive it the easier it gets. It may be overkill though for ya. If you are staying under 500HP an LS7 may be the best bet for easiness of driving although my 3+ drives pretty damn good for the power it can hold.
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Well eventually im gonna do heads, cam, intake and possibly a 383 stroker conversion. But that will all take a long while to do and it will likely stay like it is with the exception of changing the muffler and adding a few other bolt on's. Also will an LS7 clutch disk and pressure plate bolt up to a SPEC billet flywheel, or will it only work with the LS2 flywheel??
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Oh and yes im planning on doing quite a bit of racing with it. I live about 10 min away from the 1/4mile track.
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Spec 3 worked for friend that does quite a bit of track use and has quite a bit of miles on it. But would think if you can afford the 3 plus go for it. Newest technology and more power handling and thought lighter pedal. Sounds like win win to me.
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Tex OZ700 would work great. I heat cycled it 15-20 times (maybe 250 miles on it) then I gave it all hell.
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If you plan on a lot of track time I would go with a 3+ or a Tex.
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SPEC 3+ here.. only making 372rwhp... drives great, holds great.. chatters a bit at first but its awesome
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I went with a 4 just because of the horror stories with the 3s
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Originally Posted by urbanhunter44
I went with a 4 just because of the horror stories with the 3s
Ive heard stories about the 4's too though.
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The SPEC 3+ is a full faced disk correct. And also how tolerant is it to being slipped. And when i say slippeed i mean just enough to get going from a stop, not like a 5th gear start revving it to the sky just to say you did it. And is anyone running the lightweight option? Thanks
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Originally Posted by Black02SLPSS
The SPEC 3+ is a full faced disk correct. And also how tolerant is it to being slipped. And when i say slippeed i mean just enough to get going from a stop, not like a 5th gear start revving it to the sky just to say you did it. And is anyone running the lightweight option? Thanks
It is a full disc. Mine takes the needed minimum slippage to get going just fine and I havent noticed a change in pedal engagement. You just need to know how to do it right so you dont over slip it. Its really not a difficult clutch to daily drive. I take off with it and keep the revs under 2k upon takeoff and i am cammed, a noncammed car would probably be even easier. **** sometimes I even takeoff at about 1500.
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Originally Posted by brad8266
How much power are you looking to produce? The 3+ is rough during break in for around 1000 miles but the more you drive it the easier it gets. It may be overkill though for ya. If you are staying under 500HP an LS7 may be the best bet for easiness of driving although my 3+ drives pretty damn good for the power it can hold.

So all in all the stage 3+ has the possibility of being a little overkill for my current setup?
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Originally Posted by Black02SLPSS
So all in all the stage 3+ has the possibility of being a little overkill for my current setup?
Yeah its overkill for your current setup, but if you plan on a 383 head/cam then it probably would be a good clutch to go with.

Man I wish I could let you guys drive my car just once to feel how easy this 3+ clutch really is to drive. For the amount of power this clutch can hold it sure drives awesome. Most clutches that can withstand 800 ft-lbs do not drive this nice.
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brad, one last question, will an LS7 disk and flywheel work on a spec flywheel or would i be better off just buying the package that a few of the vendors offer? Thanks again for bearing with me
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Originally Posted by Black02SLPSS
brad, one last question, will an LS7 disk and flywheel work on a spec flywheel or would i be better off just buying the package that a few of the vendors offer? Thanks again for bearing with me
It would probably be off balanced. I would stick with an LS7 clutch/flywheel or a SPEC clutch/flywheel. I wouldnt mix and match parts in the clutch assy. Either way you go I recommend you take the entire clutch and flywheel assy in to a machine shop in order to verify that it is balanced.
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Thanks alot man. Definatly got me pointed in the right direction




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