H/C WS6 vs. turbocharged Integra GSR
12-09-2008, 02:51 PM
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There are alternatives to supplement displacement(FI and rpm). No one on this site makes more hp than an F1 car via N/A. They make 800hp from 3.0 liters of displacement and this is due to high rpm capabilities.
12-09-2008, 02:57 PM
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Do you know the definition of power? Hit up wikipedia or something and get back to us.The only way you can make hp, is to increase VE at redline. Generally, when increasing displacement, you move the torque output to the left. Meaning you are increasing torque output sooner than before. Granted, if everything is the same(stock cams, redline, heads, etc....) and there's not a sufficient amount of volume going through at redline, you will not make more hp. The only way to make more hp is more torque throughout a higher redline.
12-09-2008, 03:00 PM
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Here's an example I posted earlier. You will notice how you can make more torque down low, but more torque higher in the rpm range means more hp.
(3 ft/lb of torque @ 2 RPM) / 5252 = .0011424 HP
(1 ft/lb of torque @ 8 RPM) /5252 = .0015232 hp <<<<<<<< more hp.
(3 ft/lb of torque @ 2 RPM) / 5252 = .0011424 HP
(1 ft/lb of torque @ 8 RPM) /5252 = .0015232 hp <<<<<<<< more hp.
12-09-2008, 03:25 PM
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Ummm.. A 250k 3.0 and its only that size for weight and space and I think A f1 motor is a work of art. Push rod vs f1 stuff is not a good comparsion bro. In the real world with guys that have 9-5 jobs and save up for **** increasing displacement is a nice bang for the buck instead of no2.
12-09-2008, 03:28 PM
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Ummm.. A 250k 3.0 and its only that size for weight and space and I think A f1 motor is a work of art. Push rod vs f1 stuff is not a good comparsion bro. In the real world with guys that have 9-5 jobs and save up for **** increasing displacement is a nice bang for the buck instead of no2.
12-09-2008, 04:52 PM
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If you can not understand the concept that I gave you, then I do not know what else I can do. Let me see if I can rephrase this for you.
The only way you can make hp, is to increase VE at redline. Generally, when increasing displacement, you move the torque output to the left. Meaning you are increasing torque output sooner than before. Granted, if everything is the same(stock cams, redline, heads, etc....) and there's not a sufficient amount of volume going through at redline, you will not make more peak hp. The only way to make more peak hp is more torque throughout a higher redline.
The only way you can make hp, is to increase VE at redline. Generally, when increasing displacement, you move the torque output to the left. Meaning you are increasing torque output sooner than before. Granted, if everything is the same(stock cams, redline, heads, etc....) and there's not a sufficient amount of volume going through at redline, you will not make more peak hp. The only way to make more peak hp is more torque throughout a higher redline.
If you make more torque, you automatically make more power (notice I did NOT say you make more peak of either.)
12-09-2008, 04:57 PM
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Ummm.. A 250k 3.0 and its only that size for weight and space and I think A f1 motor is a work of art. Push rod vs f1 stuff is not a good comparsion bro. In the real world with guys that have 9-5 jobs and save up for **** increasing displacement is a nice bang for the buck instead of no2.
Yes, very right, alternatives to increasing displacement, not replacements...
12-09-2008, 06:51 PM
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That is not peak if you make more power throughout the entire powerband.
12-09-2008, 06:59 PM
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You have some good ideas, but you are missing some of the valid points you are clearly incorrect about. I will give up the conversation with you because it seems like I am talking to a bot. And a current F1 engine is 2.6L V8, not a 3.0L V10.
12-10-2008, 09:56 AM
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Guess it has nothing to do with the higher flowing heads and higher flowing short runner intake?!
12-10-2008, 12:41 PM
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The three examples that I listed all make about the same amount of torque and are nearly identical in weight. My contention is that torque is not important as speeds increase. Furthermore, my illustration constitutes that a higher redline is needed to supplement the additional VE from a stroker in order to make more hp(the reason why the LS1 is faster.) and take advantage of gearing.
12-10-2008, 01:20 PM
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Reread your own post 
"The only way to make more hp is more torque throughout a higher redline."
Torque is never "not important." What you are confusing is that low end torque is less useful, because you are not in that RPM range. However you are in the higher RPM range, where the torque there matters.
The LS1 makes more torque all over, that's why its quicker, not because it has a slightly higher redline. Even if the LS1 switched at the same RPM as the other two engines it would still be quicker, because its still making more torque at those RPM ranges.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/10616577-post75.html
"The only way to make more hp is more torque throughout a higher redline."
Again, that's not the point I was trying to make.
The three examples that I listed all make about the same amount of torque and are nearly identical in weight. My contention is that torque is not important as speeds increase. Furthermore, my illustration constitutes that a higher redline is needed to supplement the additional VE from a stroker in order to make more hp(the reason why the LS1 is faster.) and take advantage of gearing.
The three examples that I listed all make about the same amount of torque and are nearly identical in weight. My contention is that torque is not important as speeds increase. Furthermore, my illustration constitutes that a higher redline is needed to supplement the additional VE from a stroker in order to make more hp(the reason why the LS1 is faster.) and take advantage of gearing.
The LS1 makes more torque all over, that's why its quicker, not because it has a slightly higher redline. Even if the LS1 switched at the same RPM as the other two engines it would still be quicker, because its still making more torque at those RPM ranges.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/10616577-post75.html