H/C WS6 vs. turbocharged Integra GSR
12-11-2008, 09:10 AM
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Torque is never "not important." What you are confusing is that low end torque is less useful, because you are not in that RPM range. However you are in the higher RPM range, where the torque there matters.
The LS1 makes more torque all over, that's why its quicker, not because it has a slightly higher redline. Even if the LS1 switched at the same RPM as the other two engines it would still be quicker, because its still making more torque at those RPM ranges.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/10616577-post75.html
Your assertions that torque is more useful in the higher rpm range is false. If you examine a dyno graph, torque begins to fall after 5252 rpm, in which hp begins to rise. This is why you can have a civic making 300lbft of torque vs a viper making 500lbft and run side by side on a 3rd gear punch.
LS1's make more power throughout the powerband because it does have a higher redline(they have the VE to supplement the addtional rpm increase). Making more torque higher in the rpm band constitutes in more hp. This in turns gives the ability to take advantage of gearing. Remember, all 3 illustrations make nearly identical torque/weight. What is separating them is the amount of hp.
12-11-2008, 10:52 AM
#102
You can continue to produce increasing amounts of torque past 5252. See here: https://ls1tech.com/forums/dynamomet...2-results.html
Do you have anything really useful to add? It seems every assumption you make is based upon incorrect "facts"
12-11-2008, 10:59 AM
#103
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You are correct in the sense that "torque is never not important". I should have phrased that term differently.
Your assertions that torque is more useful in the higher rpm range is false. If you examine a dyno graph, torque begins to fall after 5252 rpm, in which hp begins to rise. This is why you can have a civic making 300lbft of torque vs a viper making 500lbft and run side by side on a 3rd gear punch.
Your assertions that torque is more useful in the higher rpm range is false. If you examine a dyno graph, torque begins to fall after 5252 rpm, in which hp begins to rise. This is why you can have a civic making 300lbft of torque vs a viper making 500lbft and run side by side on a 3rd gear punch.
You either don't understand hp and torque, or are horrible at explaining things.
What you failed to mention is the differences between the cars. Since the civic has super steep gearing its TORQUE is being multiplied more, and is making more torque to the wheels compared to its weight than the Viper.
When people say "torque moves the car" we are talking about the torque at the wheels, multiplied by gearing. We are not talking about peak torque, or some random torque number at a certain RPM, but the WHOLE torque curve.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/10616577-post75.html
LS1's make more power throughout the powerband because it does have a higher redline(they have the VE to supplement the addtional rpm increase). Making more torque higher in the rpm band constitutes in more hp. This in turns gives the ability to take advantage of gearing. Remember, all 3 illustrations make nearly identical torque/weight. What is separating them is the amount of hp.
While the LT1 may have a 200RPM shorter redline, that doesn't matter at all because you switch gears at 5500RPMs on a stock LS1, not its 6200RPM redline (my car is .25 seconds quicker in the 1/4 mile switching at 5500 opposed to 6200). The LT1 is switching at the same RPM, but the LS1 is still quicker, why? Because its making more TORQUE in those RPMs (and yes, because of that more hp).
