94 Supra with 421 stroker smallblock swap
12-21-2011, 09:55 PM
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Kracin I'm workin my *** off to get it out. cause I wouldn't be caught dead with a "shitty" motor your gonna have to give me some time cause I got two more in my other cars. What would suggest I replace it with?
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12-22-2011, 08:00 AM
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More of a pain to copy/paste rather then just hit "quote" to capture all of your babbling nonsense all at once, this isn't rocket science.
Seems like you need to do some digging yourself:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/3019859-post5.html
thanks, at least you can take 25 grams off the weight of the engine then?
All their 2JZ info is copied directly from Supra forums, or first hand experience with the engine (like having it on a scale).
and putting an engine on a scale doesn't make it the same engine that it would be compared to, vvti vs non etc, a lot of those swaps are mostly vvti. but aside from that, there is a reason their info varies so much as well as the tech areas lacking as much good info as can be found on a dedicated site
You can't be serious...
Compare the two engines a car with the same weight and gearing and you will see damn near the same gas mileage. A lowly 93 LT1 6 speed Corvette (OMG SBC based old tachnologeeee) gets better gas mileage than a 6 speed 93 TT Supra. Does this mean the engine is more efficient, or the gearing is better for gas mileage?
as hitman said.. 1 mpg when comparing THOSE two engine. i am talking about that gas guzzling 70s SBC that i have been talking about the WHOLE TIME. you keep trying to jump into other engines to make comparisons, he didn't put an lsx into that supra, he put a POS pushrod v8 from the 70s
Pot meet kettle...
and?
So bolt ons and a 50 shot get you 800hp huh?
actually.. boltons and you get over 900. intake, exhaust, boost controller, turbo kit, fuel and piggyback EMS will net you that, and it will hold it. not a lot of people choose to use nitrous, i was merely stating that a 50 shot on the stock turbos will net the same hp that that BUILT SBC is putting out.
Just as good engine? Yes, if not better. Just as "good" for that car, arguably no, because of added complexity of putting the engine in and getting everything to work properly.
How do you know what the OP was going for? How do you know that he didn't get tired of the turbo lag, or exhaust note, or lack of torque compared to a bigger displaced V8?
Not saying that I would have done the swap either, but I wouldn't buy a Supra either. (although if I did Id be SO tempted to put an LSx in it just to see the Supra fanboys like yourself rage out).
this statement here proves you are ignorant.. you think every car has turbo lag? do you even know how turbos work? when was the last time you raced from 0 RPM? wtf kind of comment is that. and lack of torque compared to what? my car makes more torque than it does HP on the twin turbos. what is your REAL point here? i guess you real point is you don't know how **** works in the real world so you are clamoring for saying he didnt wan't turbo lag? lol figures, ****** special child
Not if comparing two different engines like you were doing, saying one is "better" because it has more hp/l.
So you have no argument for hp/l then huh? Just some ricer math to try and make the 2JZ look better?
ricer math? it makes MORE power MORE efficiently, how else do you want me to put it? that the v8 has more cylinders and still can't match it without being built to the hilt? theres a reason it was built more solid from the factory, because it is in fact, more advanced.
care to post the thread?
Seems like you need to do some digging yourself:
https://ls1tech.com/forums/3019859-post5.html
thanks, at least you can take 25 grams off the weight of the engine then?
All their 2JZ info is copied directly from Supra forums, or first hand experience with the engine (like having it on a scale).
and putting an engine on a scale doesn't make it the same engine that it would be compared to, vvti vs non etc, a lot of those swaps are mostly vvti. but aside from that, there is a reason their info varies so much as well as the tech areas lacking as much good info as can be found on a dedicated site
You can't be serious...
Compare the two engines a car with the same weight and gearing and you will see damn near the same gas mileage. A lowly 93 LT1 6 speed Corvette (OMG SBC based old tachnologeeee) gets better gas mileage than a 6 speed 93 TT Supra. Does this mean the engine is more efficient, or the gearing is better for gas mileage?
as hitman said.. 1 mpg when comparing THOSE two engine. i am talking about that gas guzzling 70s SBC that i have been talking about the WHOLE TIME. you keep trying to jump into other engines to make comparisons, he didn't put an lsx into that supra, he put a POS pushrod v8 from the 70s
Pot meet kettle...
and?
So bolt ons and a 50 shot get you 800hp huh?
actually.. boltons and you get over 900. intake, exhaust, boost controller, turbo kit, fuel and piggyback EMS will net you that, and it will hold it. not a lot of people choose to use nitrous, i was merely stating that a 50 shot on the stock turbos will net the same hp that that BUILT SBC is putting out.
Just as good engine? Yes, if not better. Just as "good" for that car, arguably no, because of added complexity of putting the engine in and getting everything to work properly.
How do you know what the OP was going for? How do you know that he didn't get tired of the turbo lag, or exhaust note, or lack of torque compared to a bigger displaced V8?
Not saying that I would have done the swap either, but I wouldn't buy a Supra either. (although if I did Id be SO tempted to put an LSx in it just to see the Supra fanboys like yourself rage out).
this statement here proves you are ignorant.. you think every car has turbo lag? do you even know how turbos work? when was the last time you raced from 0 RPM? wtf kind of comment is that. and lack of torque compared to what? my car makes more torque than it does HP on the twin turbos. what is your REAL point here? i guess you real point is you don't know how **** works in the real world so you are clamoring for saying he didnt wan't turbo lag? lol figures, ****** special child
Not if comparing two different engines like you were doing, saying one is "better" because it has more hp/l.
So you have no argument for hp/l then huh? Just some ricer math to try and make the 2JZ look better?
ricer math? it makes MORE power MORE efficiently, how else do you want me to put it? that the v8 has more cylinders and still can't match it without being built to the hilt? theres a reason it was built more solid from the factory, because it is in fact, more advanced.
care to post the thread?
12-22-2011, 08:04 AM
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i told him that putting that motor in a supra which had a far superior setup to start, was shitty. compare that 70's engine and trans to what the supra had, that is was shitty
i wouldn't be complaining if he put it in a mkiii and replaced a 7mgte... even though my old 7mgte cressida i built was making nearly same power his v8 is making without being built with forged internals either.
but the fact remains that he took out something that comes from the factory, engine and trans 900hp capable with just boltons. to replace it with a built SBC that is making BPU + 50 shot worth of power..
doesn't make a lot of sense..
this is a lot of fun too, you guys wouldn't believe how much laughter a lot of these comments are getting in other forums about how awesome this whole thing is.
12-22-2011, 10:00 AM
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Kracin I'm workin my *** off to get it out. cause I wouldn't be caught dead with a "shitty" motor your gonna have to give me some time cause I got two more in my other cars. What would suggest I replace it with?
http://i.pgu.me/-hCYjkS-_original.jpg
http://i.pgu.me/-hCYjkS-_original.jpg
Then I might be able to help you out with your build.
I have nothing against SBCs, LSxs or 2jzs. I have a problem with swapping the wrong motor into the wrong chassis. The 2jz 69 Camaro must have pissed you off, I know it pissed me off. I would have rather seen a LSx in there. If someone put a carbed SBC into a C5 vette, it would **** me off as well.
12-22-2011, 11:29 AM
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I have nothing against SBCs, LSxs or 2jzs. I have a problem with swapping the wrong motor into the wrong chassis. The 2jz 69 Camaro must have pissed you off, I know it pissed me off. I would have rather seen a LSx in there. If someone put a carbed SBC into a C5 vette, it would **** me off as well.
12-22-2011, 11:49 AM
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but the fact remains that he took out something that comes from the factory, engine and trans 900hp capable with just boltons. to replace it with a built SBC that is making BPU + 50 shot worth of power..
this is a lot of fun too, you guys wouldn't believe how much laughter a lot of these comments are getting in other forums about how awesome this whole thing is.
12-22-2011, 12:27 PM
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http://www.texasmile.net/pdf/March%2...uto_053111.pdf
http://www.texasmile.net/pdf/Results...s_vehicles.pdf
http://www.texasmile.net/pdf/2010_Ma..._vehicles1.pdf
http://www.texasmile.net/pdf/2009TXM...stestspeed.pdf
I will also leave this here, not bad for a tiny little 3l in a 3/4 chassis car:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJC8DsMzl7A
BTW, noone is talking **** specifically about pushrod engines. it is the fact that the OP destroyed the car to put a punched 350 in there. Get that through your inbread skull.
The 90s called, they want their joke back.
12-22-2011, 02:24 PM
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Last I checked, the fastest car in the TX mile was a OHC motor.
http://www.texasmile.net/pdf/March%2...uto_053111.pdf
http://www.texasmile.net/pdf/Results...s_vehicles.pdf
http://www.texasmile.net/pdf/2010_Ma..._vehicles1.pdf
http://www.texasmile.net/pdf/2009TXM...stestspeed.pdf
http://www.texasmile.net/pdf/March%2...uto_053111.pdf
http://www.texasmile.net/pdf/Results...s_vehicles.pdf
http://www.texasmile.net/pdf/2010_Ma..._vehicles1.pdf
http://www.texasmile.net/pdf/2009TXM...stestspeed.pdf
BTW, noone is talking **** specifically about pushrod engines. it is the fact that the OP destroyed the car to put a punched 350 in there. Get that through your inbread skull.
The 90s called, they want their joke back.
Do all Supra guys type like a 13 year old girl's text message?
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12-22-2011, 02:36 PM
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Whoah, I thought this was LS1 tech, not the home of the spelling police.
Seeing how all generalizations are true, and funny, how is that mullet treating you? Is your sister good in bed as well?
What, I thought all 3rd gen owners were hicks that slept with their sisters...
12-22-2011, 02:46 PM
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Last I checked, the fastest car in the TX mile was a OHC motor.
http://www.texasmile.net/pdf/March%2...uto_053111.pdf
http://www.texasmile.net/pdf/Results...s_vehicles.pdf
http://www.texasmile.net/pdf/2010_Ma..._vehicles1.pdf
http://www.texasmile.net/pdf/2009TXM...stestspeed.pdf
I will also leave this here, not bad for a tiny little 3l in a 3/4 chassis car:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJC8DsMzl7A
BTW, noone is talking **** specifically about pushrod engines. it is the fact that the OP destroyed the car to put a punched 350 in there. Get that through your inbread skull.
The 90s called, they want their joke back.
http://www.texasmile.net/pdf/March%2...uto_053111.pdf
http://www.texasmile.net/pdf/Results...s_vehicles.pdf
http://www.texasmile.net/pdf/2010_Ma..._vehicles1.pdf
http://www.texasmile.net/pdf/2009TXM...stestspeed.pdf
I will also leave this here, not bad for a tiny little 3l in a 3/4 chassis car:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YJC8DsMzl7A
BTW, noone is talking **** specifically about pushrod engines. it is the fact that the OP destroyed the car to put a punched 350 in there. Get that through your inbread skull.
The 90s called, they want their joke back.
I think we can agree to disagree here. Small block Chevrolet is legendary and has accomished A LOT. 2jzs have done a lot also. In my opinion the Toyota Supra and the 2jz is ONE of the platforms that really gained respect for Japanese cars. 15 years ago if an import showed up to the drag strip everybody would laugh. They don't laugh anymore... well at least the ones that don't have their head up their ***.
12-22-2011, 02:52 PM
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Seeing how all generalizations are true, and funny, how is that mullet treating you? Is your sister good in bed as well?
