94 Supra with 421 stroker smallblock swap
12-22-2011, 03:17 PM
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BTW whats wrong with Marlboros?
12-22-2011, 03:35 PM
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Orly?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gatDw...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq5BG...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-nzZ...eature=related
All around 800whp and those were old *** videos from the early 2000's
Get back to me when you get some new jokes genius.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gatDw...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oq5BG...eature=related
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o-nzZ...eature=related
All around 800whp and those were old *** videos from the early 2000's
Get back to me when you get some new jokes genius.
12-22-2011, 04:33 PM
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What's wrong with a 70s GM transmission? The TH400 and Powerglide were used in the 70s. Fast Supras are no stranger to swapping those in.
He put in a naturally aspirated SBC that makes comparable power to a 2JZ with 3 power adders (your words, not mine), and dropped some weight in the process.
And you think you're not a joke here? Nobody here cares what you kids on the Supra forums think. And why the hate on old pushrod engines? Last I checked old tech pushrod engines were trapping over 330mph in the 1/4. Has ANY OHC engine done that?
He put in a naturally aspirated SBC that makes comparable power to a 2JZ with 3 power adders (your words, not mine), and dropped some weight in the process.
And you think you're not a joke here? Nobody here cares what you kids on the Supra forums think. And why the hate on old pushrod engines? Last I checked old tech pushrod engines were trapping over 330mph in the 1/4. Has ANY OHC engine done that?
WOW, you don't care but you cant stop commenting, yep you care.
oh and you mention a pushrod that pulls over 300mph? wait, are you talking about funnycars? so lets get this straight, you are trying to compare an engine that is bored out so far with a special filled block, heads with valve so damn large they might as well be cylinders. a car that runs down the strip and has to be rebuilt every other time it makes a run, not to mention that the spark plugs don't last through the first half of the run...
yeah, lets compare that to a 2jz..
here is the funny thing, the fastest SUPRA using stock components, no tubbing, its OWN ENGINE. is far faster than anything GM you could name that hasn't been tubbed out, rear end swapped, with a new trans and engine from a different car.
we at least pride ourselves on making the car and what it has faster, not swapping it out with something and making it some sort of frankshit car made up of ten other cars. then still try to call it something with a name.
i remember lining up against an old 67 camaro at the drag strip years ago when i was in my little cressida, it was only at 390hp then. on a stock stall.. i thought for sure i was gonna get beat on. that thing sounded NASTY, had slicks at least 14" wide and 28" tall... tubbed, ******* beast looking car... the guy was talkin about how he was making clean runs all night.... we lined up, he got a MASSIVE jump on me... my stall was stock after all, but after the 60' foot, i caught up and passed him like he was standing still..
moral of the story.... you can make all the supra 12 sec 800 hp jokes you want, but i know of more domestics that try to sound fast, put on slicks, and still cant do 13 LOL
Countering an old joke with an even older joke. nice.
I think we can agree to disagree here. Small block Chevrolet is legendary and has accomished A LOT. 2jzs have done a lot also. In my opinion the Toyota Supra and the 2jz is ONE of the platforms that really gained respect for Japanese cars. 15 years ago if an import showed up to the drag strip everybody would laugh. They don't laugh anymore... well at least the ones that don't have their head up their ***.
I think we can agree to disagree here. Small block Chevrolet is legendary and has accomished A LOT. 2jzs have done a lot also. In my opinion the Toyota Supra and the 2jz is ONE of the platforms that really gained respect for Japanese cars. 15 years ago if an import showed up to the drag strip everybody would laugh. They don't laugh anymore... well at least the ones that don't have their head up their ***.
certain engines have a certain place, unfortunately he put this one in the wrong place because there was something better in there before and there was no need to do the swap in the first place... if no one can even see that, then oh well. looks like any other closed minded forum that can't see past their own culture of *rip engine out, throw in sbc, create car better than anything on the road!*
how would any of you guys that claim that 421 is a good option post then? obvious troll comments lol
12-22-2011, 04:36 PM
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a car that got an intake, exhaust, and turbo kit put on it.... no nitrous, why do you guys think it needs nitrous? this isn't some inefficient V8 that can't push out power at higher rpms.
12-22-2011, 04:53 PM
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on a serious note, Kracing.... just stop. please. you hurting our feeling with your complete knowledge of everything. thank you.
On a lesser serious note, anyone wanna swap a bpu 2jz motor for my bolt-on ls6?
12-22-2011, 04:57 PM
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to be clear. its a built SBC, cracked open to add 9.9 pistons, forged rods, forged crank, alum heads.
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a car that got an intake, exhaust, and turbo kit put on it.... no nitrous, why do you guys think it needs nitrous? this isn't some inefficient V8 that can't push out power at higher rpms.
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a car that got an intake, exhaust, and turbo kit put on it.... no nitrous, why do you guys think it needs nitrous? this isn't some inefficient V8 that can't push out power at higher rpms.
Nitrous is a **** load of fun
12-22-2011, 05:15 PM
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and putting an engine on a scale doesn't make it the same engine that it would be compared to, vvti vs non etc, a lot of those swaps are mostly vvti. but aside from that, there is a reason their info varies so much as well as the tech areas lacking as much good info as can be found on a dedicated site
Thanks for playing.
as hitman said.. 1 mpg when comparing THOSE two engine. i am talking about that gas guzzling 70s SBC that i have been talking about the WHOLE TIME. you keep trying to jump into other engines to make comparisons, he didn't put an lsx into that supra, he put a POS pushrod v8 from the 70s
You're comparing the gas mileage of a 3400lbs car with 6 gears to 4000lbs+ cars with 3 or 4 gears. Put that engine in the same car with the same gears and gas mileage will be close, again this is not rocket science.
and?
actually.. boltons and you get over 900. intake, exhaust, boost controller, turbo kit, fuel and piggyback EMS will net you that, and it will hold it. not a lot of people choose to use nitrous, i was merely stating that a 50 shot on the stock turbos will net the same hp that that BUILT SBC is putting out.
this statement here proves you are ignorant.. you think every car has turbo lag?
do you even know how turbos work? when was the last time you raced from 0 RPM? wtf kind of comment is that.
and lack of torque compared to what?
my car makes more torque than it does HP on the twin turbos.
what is your REAL point here? i guess you real point is you don't know how **** works in the real world so you are clamoring for saying he didnt wan't turbo lag? lol figures, ****** special child
ricer math? it makes MORE power MORE efficiently, how else do you want me to put it?
hp/l is NOT efficiency because hp is hp is hp, doesn't matter if it came from a 1L engine or a 10L engine. What does matter is weight . A more efficient engine will make more hp/weight.
Would you rather have a 5L engine that made 400hp but weighed 350lbs, or a 4L engine that made 400hp but weighed 600lbs?
that the v8 has more cylinders and still can't match it without being built to the hilt?
Your arguments are the typical high school rice boy cry baby, go back to reading import tuner...
theres a reason it was built more solid from the factory, because it is in fact, more advanced.
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Let me beat you with your own logic, a Viper can make the same horsepower as a built SMALL BLOCK, therefore OHV motors are better.
12-22-2011, 06:21 PM
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Whats really funny is how butt hurt your getting, and trying to justify the greatness of the Supra by limiting other makes to certain standards (or excuses rather). Why does it matter if some parts are stock and others are not? Either way you are modding the car.
we at least pride ourselves on making the car and what it has faster, not swapping it out with something and making it some sort of frankshit car made up of ten other cars. then still try to call it something with a name.
Why do you swap out your stock clutch with an aftermarket one? Why do you swap your stock turbos to bigger twins or a single? ZOMG you are frankshit da car cauze itz not factery!!!!!!
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yes it is
ugh, another gnx comment. there is more to a car manufacturers decisions than the use of an engine... i wonder why lamborghini and ferrari don't keep using the same engine platform over and over and over again? must be shitty engines. of course thats it...... wait.. maybe gm is a just so cheap they keep re-using the same design over and over again even though it isn't nearly as efficient as the new engines out these days.. or wait, maybe... the fan base is so close minded they cry and cry if anything with less than 8 cylinders is produced because they want their precious SBC to live on forever? im going with the latter... hence why the newest corvette was going to come with a super high revving turbocharged engine....... but.... still going to have an option for some high discplacement v8 that can't even match the power and capabilities of the other engine said to be avail.....?
gonna quote myself here cause all of you seem to not read your own forum either
Is this your way of admitting to being wrong?
sure? i didnt deny it did i. after you showed me the right info, then sure, i guess for that specific engine they do weigh slightly less by a couple grams
I guess you missed "All their 2JZ info is copied directly from Supra forums".
Thanks for playing.
brb gonna go copy a bunch of bad info from your own site and play this game back at you. just cause a bunch of people say they got info from somewhere doesn't make it 100% correct. you should know that being on a redneck forum like this
I should have figured, the point went right over your head. Ill try to dumb things down for you a little more here.
You're comparing the gas mileage of a 3400lbs car with 6 gears to 4000lbs+ cars with 3 or 4 gears. Put that engine in the same car with the same gears and gas mileage will be close, again this is not rocket science.
so you're saying that the engine will throw less fuel into the cylinder for every stroke simply by removing weight from the car? redneck science again i see. you would have to completely change the fuel consumption of the engine to make this true. just because that piece of **** 70s v8 gets 8 miles to the gallon with those mods, doesn't mean its going to magically get better gas mileage by about 20 mpg by putting it in a car with 600 less lbs.... and even without talking about the 6 spd, the a340e gets the same gas mileage and has the same gears as the 700r4
******* redneck science strikes again. i need to go take 600 lbs of weight off my car and then i can beat a prius in a MPG contest, yay!
I guess you don't know what that means... Look up "hypocrisy."
not sure what the last comment was, but im sure you could learn something from that word as well. you have been hypocritical about a lot of things too, don't throw words around expecting to be exempt from them as well.
A turbo is a bolt on now? I wonder what would happen if you bolted on that turbo to the 421...
well there buddy lets not jump the gun now, this is from YOUR FORUM. **** now guys.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...-bolt-car.html
uhhhh yep.. if you can swap out the headers on an ls1. you can sure as **** add a different turbo manifold and a turbo to match on a supra.. so yes. you can get bolton upgrades on a supra and beat the **** out of every single pushrod v8 out there unless you crack that sucker open and fix what gm did wrong in the first place.
Did I say that?
Who said anything about 0 RPMs?
we are talking turbo lag, if you haven't noticed people who tend to race, don't start from nothing. either using anti-lag/2-step, trans brakes, high stalls. anything, you are already in the sweet spot and have zero turbo lag that he is blammering on about. so what the **** is the point about crying about "turbo lag" when there is none? well.. none for people who know cars
Uh, a SBC V8? And Im not talking about your peak torque, Im talking about the torque curve.
torque will definately get you up there quick, but it won't keep it there, a semi has 5x the torque it does HP, and i wouldn't exactly call those things speed machines.
Dyno pic?
sure? we haven't even seen a dyno for the piece of **** we are talking about
My REAL point is you clearly dont know what he wants, otherwise you wouldn't be crying hysterically like this.
what he wants is 20 grand for a salvage title car with a worthless engine. lol
A modded 2Jz is capable of making more power than this particular setup, just like you can add more mods to this setup and make more power.
hp/l is NOT efficiency because hp is hp is hp, doesn't matter if it came from a 1L engine or a 10L engine. What does matter is weight . A more efficient engine will make more hp/weight.
Would you rather have a 5L engine that made 400hp but weighed 350lbs, or a 4L engine that made 400hp but weighed 600lbs?
not sure why you can't grasp this concept, hp is definately hp, but how its made and when its made is a big difference. there are a lot of variables, but a v8 that consumes 8 mpg cruising, making the same hp as a 6 cylidner that gets 25mpg cruising. is less efficient in a lot of ways considering it takes more fuel at all times to make the same or less power and keep it up.
So the 2JZ needs more valves, cams and is using FI and has to rev higher to match some "old POS" engine?
Your arguments are the typical high school rice boy cry baby, go back to reading import tuner...
so the 70s v8 boat anchor is better because its been around forever and has to burn 10x more gas just to keep up with something else that makes the same power as it? your arguments are the typical redneck response to anything that has 100 rpm higher rev (which the 2j doesn't even rev very high to start, and just because it maxes at 6.7k stock doesn't mean it makes more power at the very top of that rev in every gear genius).
go back to the woods and crack open another natty lite.
see we can both play that game? what is your point? that two different engines make power differently? except that the v8 has to compensate by using more fuel and larger cylinders and more cylinders just to keep up with something that has a more efficient way of adding in fuel and air (more valves). the number of valves doesn't increase the consumption, just the efficiency.
redneck science again
It was built to use FI from the factory, so like almost ever other engine that uses FI from the factory it can take quite a bit more boost. Ever heard of the Grand National? Nothing advanced about that "old tech" pushrod V6, but it could make some stupid power with boost.
amazing, so now we are comparing a grand national? when did this happen, this thread is about that piece of **** boat anchor v8 from the 70s in the car, not 3.8 v6 that was built to use turbos.
sure? i didnt deny it did i. after you showed me the right info, then sure, i guess for that specific engine they do weigh slightly less by a couple grams
I guess you missed "All their 2JZ info is copied directly from Supra forums".
Thanks for playing.
brb gonna go copy a bunch of bad info from your own site and play this game back at you. just cause a bunch of people say they got info from somewhere doesn't make it 100% correct. you should know that being on a redneck forum like this
I should have figured, the point went right over your head. Ill try to dumb things down for you a little more here.
You're comparing the gas mileage of a 3400lbs car with 6 gears to 4000lbs+ cars with 3 or 4 gears. Put that engine in the same car with the same gears and gas mileage will be close, again this is not rocket science.
so you're saying that the engine will throw less fuel into the cylinder for every stroke simply by removing weight from the car? redneck science again i see. you would have to completely change the fuel consumption of the engine to make this true. just because that piece of **** 70s v8 gets 8 miles to the gallon with those mods, doesn't mean its going to magically get better gas mileage by about 20 mpg by putting it in a car with 600 less lbs.... and even without talking about the 6 spd, the a340e gets the same gas mileage and has the same gears as the 700r4
******* redneck science strikes again. i need to go take 600 lbs of weight off my car and then i can beat a prius in a MPG contest, yay!
I guess you don't know what that means... Look up "hypocrisy."
not sure what the last comment was, but im sure you could learn something from that word as well. you have been hypocritical about a lot of things too, don't throw words around expecting to be exempt from them as well.
A turbo is a bolt on now? I wonder what would happen if you bolted on that turbo to the 421...
well there buddy lets not jump the gun now, this is from YOUR FORUM. **** now guys.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...-bolt-car.html
most likely. . .
headers, full exhaust, lid, intake manifold, throttle body, underdrive pully, all the free mods, and a tune
anything that doesn't require you to pull the heads off or the front cover(internals of the motor).
don't forget how much upgraded suspension helps put what power you do have at the wheels. you can upgrade the suspension all you want and can still say its a bolt-on car
hope that helped
headers, full exhaust, lid, intake manifold, throttle body, underdrive pully, all the free mods, and a tune
anything that doesn't require you to pull the heads off or the front cover(internals of the motor).
don't forget how much upgraded suspension helps put what power you do have at the wheels. you can upgrade the suspension all you want and can still say its a bolt-on car
hope that helped
uhhhh yep.. if you can swap out the headers on an ls1. you can sure as **** add a different turbo manifold and a turbo to match on a supra.. so yes. you can get bolton upgrades on a supra and beat the **** out of every single pushrod v8 out there unless you crack that sucker open and fix what gm did wrong in the first place.
Did I say that?
Who said anything about 0 RPMs?
we are talking turbo lag, if you haven't noticed people who tend to race, don't start from nothing. either using anti-lag/2-step, trans brakes, high stalls. anything, you are already in the sweet spot and have zero turbo lag that he is blammering on about. so what the **** is the point about crying about "turbo lag" when there is none? well.. none for people who know cars
Uh, a SBC V8? And Im not talking about your peak torque, Im talking about the torque curve.
torque will definately get you up there quick, but it won't keep it there, a semi has 5x the torque it does HP, and i wouldn't exactly call those things speed machines.
Dyno pic?
sure? we haven't even seen a dyno for the piece of **** we are talking about
My REAL point is you clearly dont know what he wants, otherwise you wouldn't be crying hysterically like this.
what he wants is 20 grand for a salvage title car with a worthless engine. lol
A modded 2Jz is capable of making more power than this particular setup, just like you can add more mods to this setup and make more power.
hp/l is NOT efficiency because hp is hp is hp, doesn't matter if it came from a 1L engine or a 10L engine. What does matter is weight . A more efficient engine will make more hp/weight.
Would you rather have a 5L engine that made 400hp but weighed 350lbs, or a 4L engine that made 400hp but weighed 600lbs?
not sure why you can't grasp this concept, hp is definately hp, but how its made and when its made is a big difference. there are a lot of variables, but a v8 that consumes 8 mpg cruising, making the same hp as a 6 cylidner that gets 25mpg cruising. is less efficient in a lot of ways considering it takes more fuel at all times to make the same or less power and keep it up.
So the 2JZ needs more valves, cams and is using FI and has to rev higher to match some "old POS" engine?
Your arguments are the typical high school rice boy cry baby, go back to reading import tuner...
so the 70s v8 boat anchor is better because its been around forever and has to burn 10x more gas just to keep up with something else that makes the same power as it? your arguments are the typical redneck response to anything that has 100 rpm higher rev (which the 2j doesn't even rev very high to start, and just because it maxes at 6.7k stock doesn't mean it makes more power at the very top of that rev in every gear genius).
go back to the woods and crack open another natty lite.
see we can both play that game? what is your point? that two different engines make power differently? except that the v8 has to compensate by using more fuel and larger cylinders and more cylinders just to keep up with something that has a more efficient way of adding in fuel and air (more valves). the number of valves doesn't increase the consumption, just the efficiency.
redneck science again
It was built to use FI from the factory, so like almost ever other engine that uses FI from the factory it can take quite a bit more boost. Ever heard of the Grand National? Nothing advanced about that "old tech" pushrod V6, but it could make some stupid power with boost.
amazing, so now we are comparing a grand national? when did this happen, this thread is about that piece of **** boat anchor v8 from the 70s in the car, not 3.8 v6 that was built to use turbos.
well there buddy lets not jump the gun now, this is from YOUR FORUM. **** now guys.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...-bolt-car.html
uhhhh yep.. if you can swap out the headers on an ls1. you can sure as **** add a different turbo manifold and a turbo to match on a supra.. so yes. you can get bolton upgrades on a supra and beat the **** out of every single pushrod v8 out there unless you crack that sucker open and fix what gm did wrong in the first place.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...-bolt-car.html
most likely. . .
headers, full exhaust, lid, intake manifold, throttle body, underdrive pully, all the free mods, and a tune
anything that doesn't require you to pull the heads off or the front cover(internals of the motor).
don't forget how much upgraded suspension helps put what power you do have at the wheels. you can upgrade the suspension all you want and can still say its a bolt-on car
hope that helped
headers, full exhaust, lid, intake manifold, throttle body, underdrive pully, all the free mods, and a tune
anything that doesn't require you to pull the heads off or the front cover(internals of the motor).
don't forget how much upgraded suspension helps put what power you do have at the wheels. you can upgrade the suspension all you want and can still say its a bolt-on car
hope that helped
uhhhh yep.. if you can swap out the headers on an ls1. you can sure as **** add a different turbo manifold and a turbo to match on a supra.. so yes. you can get bolton upgrades on a supra and beat the **** out of every single pushrod v8 out there unless you crack that sucker open and fix what gm did wrong in the first place.
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What Supra are you talking about?
Whats really funny is how butt hurt your getting, and trying to justify the greatness of the Supra by limiting other makes to certain standards (or excuses rather). Why does it matter if some parts are stock and others are not? Either way you are modding the car.
Most pride themselves on building their car, or going fast with it, not just only swapping certain parts to go fast.
Why do you swap out your stock clutch with an aftermarket one? Why do you swap your stock turbos to bigger twins or a single? ZOMG you are frankshit da car cauze itz not factery!!!!!!
Whats really funny is how butt hurt your getting, and trying to justify the greatness of the Supra by limiting other makes to certain standards (or excuses rather). Why does it matter if some parts are stock and others are not? Either way you are modding the car.
Most pride themselves on building their car, or going fast with it, not just only swapping certain parts to go fast.
Why do you swap out your stock clutch with an aftermarket one? Why do you swap your stock turbos to bigger twins or a single? ZOMG you are frankshit da car cauze itz not factery!!!!!!
congrats? what the **** is the point of that.
and fyi. changing a clutch is a common thing anyway, not exactly the same as changing the whole trans or rear end for another cars. besides you don't toss a clutch from a nissan into a toyota, lol. what the **** is with all this redneck knowledge out here?
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kracin, you sir are a ******* retard..
You DO realize that wrecked Supra TTs sell for almost 10 grand right? This car has brand new paint, new rims, new tires, killer stereo, built trans, TRD LSD rear, and a $9k 530 HP motor in it that sounds like the world is coming to an end. It's easily worth 20 grand.
Apparently, though, you think the motor is "worthless." Wow. And I do find it pathetic that the Supra FANBOIZ have to come over here and jack off 2JZs. Oh, and get some new material, the "redneck" talk is getting real old.
Sooo what Supra do you drive? Fool probably owns a MK3.
The guy is comparing putting on headers to throwing on an entire turbo kit! How can you be so stupid?
You DO realize that wrecked Supra TTs sell for almost 10 grand right? This car has brand new paint, new rims, new tires, killer stereo, built trans, TRD LSD rear, and a $9k 530 HP motor in it that sounds like the world is coming to an end. It's easily worth 20 grand.
Apparently, though, you think the motor is "worthless." Wow. And I do find it pathetic that the Supra FANBOIZ have to come over here and jack off 2JZs. Oh, and get some new material, the "redneck" talk is getting real old.
Sooo what Supra do you drive? Fool probably owns a MK3.
The guy is comparing putting on headers to throwing on an entire turbo kit! How can you be so stupid?
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You supra guys have really inspired me. The 2JZ is so much better than a lsx or sbc. Ive decided to sell both my cars and buy a supra... You guys are idiots. What do you expect us to do? Want us to bow down to you and say, Your so right We were wrong this whole time? Thats not going to happen. This is LS1TECH not 2JZTECH. We like our lsx and sbc or grand nationals lol which is why we are part of these forums. If we liked 2jz's and imports we would be on your forums. Your rediculous talk is doing nothing but proving that some supra owners are stuck up *** holes. Oh and by the way I saw a couple supra guys joined the SVT boards too. Guess they feel there going to inspire some Ford guys also.
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You DO realize that wrecked Supra TTs sell for almost 10 grand right?
No... they don't.
The guy is comparing putting on headers to throwing on an entire turbo kit! How can you be so stupid?
.... It's not like a turbo kit adds extra studs to the exhaust side of the engine.
No... they don't.
The guy is comparing putting on headers to throwing on an entire turbo kit! How can you be so stupid?
.... It's not like a turbo kit adds extra studs to the exhaust side of the engine.
What's sad is your poor excuse for a car.