germeezy1

I remember being on the Mustang Forums and the N/A Cobra guys arguing with the Mach 1 guys about 10ths of a second. This brings back those memories!

04azuremach

Thank you for not being a blind fan boy

04azuremach

The '01 Cobras had a 3.27 rear gear and weighed 100+ lbs more than a Mach 1 due to the IRS which also made the launch worse. Best time I've seen for one of them stock is 13.1. Shouldn't be too hard to believe a Mach can do 12.9 with 3.55's, less weight and a live axle...

germeezy1

You forgot the other thing, the Machs are stronger down low and in the mid range. But I still think the Cobras have a slight edge at higher speeds

04azuremach

If by higher speeds you mean speeds above 150 MPH then I agree. With the 3.55's the Mach should pull harder until it has to shift into 5th, and then it would only be slower til about 160 when the Cobra had to shift into 5th.

All I know is the same day and the same track I raced an '01 Cobra who had the exact same mods as me, which was a BBK O/R X pipe. I went 13.081 @ 108.63 to his 13.3 @ 103. That was our best time to date for both of us. 108 is quite a bit better than 103 which I attributed to the gears and weight more than anthing. The difference in intake cams between the two motors is so small it's hardly any difference power wise. You'd need full bolt-ons for the slight differene in cams to be more apparent which doesn't apply to stock cars.

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iTrader: (1)

where in h-town, my neighbor has a stock 12 sec mach you can run....so what do you say.....

Buff

so what does your car have all on it, because it got more than whats quoted in that video. You got to have some decent horsepower to trap 119

VIPRETR2

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I don't see these times being way off either for a good driver. A friend of mine had a 98 Cobra, bolt ons, full weight and it would run low 12s around 114 at Cecil. His mods were IIRC, CAI, some MAF that was always a problem, IMRC? delete plates, LTs, no cats, slowmasters, and 4.10 gears. Glad to see some local guys on here. Gimme a shout when you head up to Cecil again, I'd love to see you run and run against you.

Larry

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iTrader: (4)

ok, so explain to me why LS1 GTOs cant hit 12s with more HP and zo6 gearing and a 3.46 rear? guys have got 1.9 ,2.0 60s with them on stock tires so whats the problem? PTW is similar is it not?

VENGEANCE

how did you trap 119 stock internals? aftermarket cams? did you just rip every possible pound out of your mach?

because your average bolt on (headers, intake, catback, TB, etc) mach 1 isnt going anywhere near a 119mph trap. so id really love to hear how exactly you went 119 with bolt ons.

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iTrader: (4)

and who is this person?


all those graphs and charts are fine but why is a professional driver yet to get this ET claimed?

also why hasnt a stock a4 ls1 fbody with similar weight to a mach and more power unable to hit a 12s stock but a mach supposedly has?

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iTrader: (4)

though ill get accused of this dont get me wrong about downing machs. i thought they were a great middle option ford offered and a good performer.


the reason i doubt the times claimed is because im comparing them to cars that perform similarly and what theyve run.

the fact evan smith has got ls1s/6s to run 11s and 12s stock and not a mach is also a reason i believe what i do. yes evan is human and has bad days but wouldnt you think the guy has a ton of practice and great track prep when he runs these cars?

ive discredited at least one claim yrs. ago and was called names for days after. anyone remember that? that was hilarious.

you guys have been cool about this so fire away some more.

Angus66

Since you missed it the 1st time I posted it:

The LS1 GTO weighs what? 3725 lbs?

Manual-Trans Mach 1's weigh 3450 lbs or so.

That's a 275 lb weight advantage for the Mach.

Mach 1's can - and have - dynoed 290 - 295 rwhp (upper-end) and typically dyno in the mid-to-higher 280's stock.

My memory is a little fuzzy on the specs - what did stock LS1 GTO's dyno?

290 - 310 rwhp?

Doesn't sound like the LS1 GTO's had much of a power advantage & they definitely had a weight disadvantage.

The LS1 GTO's manual transmission gearing isn't as aggressive as the Mach 1's is - their 1st gear is only 2.97 (typical Tremec N/A gearing).

The Mach is simply a lighter car with more aggressive gearing, slightly less rwhp and an easier-to-launch suspension.

It all adds-up.

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iTrader: (4)

i didnt miss anything. did you fail to see the head to head testing article i posted where they ran neck and neck? why is that? youre going to have to supply me with a reputable link with a stock mach dynoing 290ish stock.


ive seen them range from mid 270s- 280ish but WGAF its just a number.


fact is these two cars are evenly matched and neither is hitting 12s STOCK.

still im waiting for an a4 ls1 fbody comparison response.

Angus66

My Mach trapped high 119's to low 120's at Cecil County Dragway.

As I've previously mentioned/posted, Cecil regularly produces higher trap speeds in the range of 1 - 2 mph higher than other tracks such as Atco or Englishtown (both of which are at lower elevation).

I've talked to plenty of drivers with other cars (Ford/Chevy/Pontiac/Imports) who've raced at other tracks in addition to Cecil regularly and they've noticed higher trap speeds too.

I raced at Atco a few weeks later & had a similar ET with a more realistic (lower) 118 mph trap speed.

Angus66 at Atco 11/18/06

I was supposed to race another fast N/A stock-internal Mach 1 that day (he trailered his Mach all the way down from New Hampshire to run me - I drove mine to the track ),
but he broke on the starting line his 1st practice pass:

03AV8R at Atco 11/18/06

He was trapping mid to high 116's at the time with 306 rwhp, while I was typically trapping in the higher 117's at another (small) track in Maryland (535 ft physical elevation) with 335 rwhp.

I moved closer to Atco (60 ft physical elevation), Cecil (330 ft physical elevation) & Englishtown (80 ft physical elevation) in October last year.

The only non-stock item inside my engine is the oil.

The valve covers & oil pan have never been off the car & the engine has never been disassembled.

End of story.

Negative.

My Mach still has power windows/power locks/tilt/cruise & full interior (carpeting/console/all interior panels) minus the passenger & rear seats.

It does weigh ~ 3000 lbs (3200 lbs w/driver), but it's not even close to being a "Tin Can" or racing shell as some people have (incorrectly) speculated.

My Mach isn't your "Average" bolt on Mach...

PS: An aftermarket TB isn't worth DICK on an N/A Mach...

Dynotune04

a geared mach 1 would have put a hell of a lot more hurtin than that on bone stock auto.

Dynotune04

who cares what you read in a magazine

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iTrader: (4)

badass car angus. i dont want any. really i dont.


heres the most neutral article i could find on a mach one dyno.


http://www.dynoperformance.com/artic...?article_id=27

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iTrader: (4)

and WFAG about your opinion?


i knew this wouldnt stay civil long.

Dynotune04

I see how it is. your just angry you havnt hit 11's yet