z28boycali

I'm looking to purchase shorty headers for my SS Camaro 2000 but man am I having trouble finding shorty headers for a good price. I recall not long ago finding BBK header for a 2000 but now I'm only finding BBK headers for 01-02 and for 98-99.

Where can i find shorty headers for my 2000 Camaro for under $350? I live in California my SS is my daily driver thats those are my reasons for not going with long tube. Any leads to find affordable shorty headers will be appreciated.


Thanks

MonmouthCtyLS7

iTrader: (6)

Honestly I wouldn't waste the time with shortys. You'll gain 5-10 hp at most. If your concerned with emissions get a catted LT setup. As long as you have cats and aren't throwing any codes you should pass along w/ the visual.

jimmyblue

iTrader: (11)

Last I knew, only JBAs had a CARB EO#. If you have
a visual inspection they might be your only bet,
unless you've fallen out the bottom of the what-years-
get-the-white-glove laws (=?).

You probably won't find anything but junk at $350 retail.
I paid over $200 for used JBAs. I like them better than
the long tubes I had, much easier to get clean idle when
your O2 sensors stay hot and I know for a fact that the
remaining back pressure is aft of the headers, not in them.

z28_YOU_HO

iTrader: (7)

Long tubes or go home

Mappinsj

Go to speed engineering and buy the correct headers

-longtubes

RPM WS6

iTrader: (3)

Shorties are definitely worth it if you need them to pass a strict, CA-style visual and don't want the hassle of removing your LTs for every inspection. Catted LTs will NOT pass a strict visual (as seen in CA) due to the fact the cats are relocated from OE position.

There are some gains to be had, albeit small, but if this is your only option then it's better than sticking with stock manifolds - especially if you plan additional engine modifications.

z28_YOU_HO

iTrader: (7)

^ just noticed he was bay area. I feel bad for him

Ohio Bird of Prey

My boy recently pulled the JBA shorties with off road y pipe from his T/A for long tubes.
I just texted him and he is looking to sell them. PM me for more details.

MonmouthCtyLS7

iTrader: (6)

Yea same thing in NJ and everybody runs them and passes.

RPM WS6

iTrader: (3)

Based on what my CA friends have told me, this is not the case out there.

Ohio Bird of Prey

I was running them in 2001 and when it came time to e-check I pulled the ORP and bolted the OEM y pipe w/cats back up, cleared my fault code and drove around for 20 minutes and then tested and passed. I also was running a 224/224 cam as well.

MonmouthCtyLS7

iTrader: (6)

You really think the DMV inspector knows the difference in LT's and shorties and if the cats have been relocated. I guess if your the unlucky guy that gets a gearhead as an inspector.

stock400whp

just to end this discussion. I live in california-bay area

dmv does not do this test.

smog test station does the smog. and for the most part smog tech can tell a difference between stock vs non. specially when it comes to common mods like exhaust and intake.

^ thats all they need to know if it doesnt look stock then they wont smog it.
if you have a carb legal, it would need to be stamped or paperwork with carb number and pic.


a smog tech can loose their licence for passing such cars and they do undercover stuff to bust the guys that do.

some tech may take more risk depending if they know you and such but keep it mind there is business here for under the table smog for more $$$ for a reason. if nobody cares for visual nobody would be paying more to smog under the table.



other than that its not that bad at all.

smog is every 2 years. people here just do the following.
1. mod and demod for smog. or
2. if heavily modded just pay under the table when that two years hit.

2 years is a long time to worry about smog.



oh and only 1975 or older dont get smog.

MonmouthCtyLS7

iTrader: (6)

Yea in that case I would just go to a garage or speed shop that does inspections, I'm sure that's what most guys do in Ca.

stock400whp

I don't know any speed shop that does that. I'd imagine They would loose their license pretty fast. Under the table smog usually last around a year before they get shut down. Sooner if the tech is careless and or greedy. I usually have to find a new smog person every time it's time for smog. Pretty sure there's like a huge fine too.

RPM WS6

iTrader: (3)

As outlined above by stock400whp, I think you're not taking into account how seriously CA takes this stuff. It's not like other states, and what's posted above is the same as I've heard from other former and current CA residents. Passing with LTs is basically no problem for most of the country, but out there is different and that's where the OP appears to be located.

senicalj4579

iTrader: (41)

This is what I'm thinking. If shorties is what he can get away with then it is what it is. Do the shorties if that's all you can do.

Here in CT the visuals are not as tough as they are supposed to be. Definitely not as bad as agenda 21 pushing state of Commiefornia. I am able to run LTS but to be safe my catted Y is GUTTED. That way I know at least they are there. I know someone who failed visual here for no cats. The cat shells and PCM tune pass me.

Emissions WILL be tougher to satisfy in the future. Look to Cali to see whats coming to a town near you. What else is coming down the pike? GM, wants to put a copyright on your pcms.

Sorry for the rant

OP if shorties is all you can run then do it if you want the extra HP.
Or what about saving up for a legal SC kit is there any legal in CA?

z28_YOU_HO

iTrader: (7)

Here's some shorty's in my town. I can pick um up and ship them to ya if you want?

http://orlando.craigslist.org/pts/5217237670.html

cali_bear2003

iTrader: (7)

I know they would work, However, if you visit the BBK site, it specifically states their shorties are NOT legal in California. Go figure because they are manufactured there in SoCal.

z28_YOU_HO

iTrader: (7)

Interesting.....