Should I hold out for a 2001 Z28?
06-21-2006, 05:41 PM
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Should I hold out for a 2001 Z28? I'm getting ever so close to buying a Z28. I've been trying to find a decent 2001, but it doesn't look like I can get one for any less than $13,000. But I think I can get a 2000 for...well...a whole lot less than that.
So my question is, are the differences in the 2001 enough to make me keep searching? I know it has the LS6 parts, and different heads? Or should I just get a slightly older one, pop on a used LS6 intake, and call it a day?
The saved money would help me buy a winter beater truck...hmm...I might have answered my own question. Help would still be very much appreciated.
So my question is, are the differences in the 2001 enough to make me keep searching? I know it has the LS6 parts, and different heads? Or should I just get a slightly older one, pop on a used LS6 intake, and call it a day?
The saved money would help me buy a winter beater truck...hmm...I might have answered my own question. Help would still be very much appreciated.
06-21-2006, 06:00 PM
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Hold out. I have a 2000, I wish I had waited for the 01. Besides the LS6 intake, No EGR, Better heads, bigger injectors, LS6 clutch, Different cam, Respond better to tuning, Better slave & master cylinder for the clutch.
06-21-2006, 06:07 PM
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Originally Posted by davered00ss
Hold out. I have a 2000, I wish I had waited for the 01. Besides the LS6 intake, No EGR, Better heads, bigger injectors, LS6 clutch, Different cam, Respond better to tuning, Better slave & master cylinder for the clutch.
EGR you can take off (01/02 have internal EGR due to cam).
Injectors are fine for bolt ons mild cam. You would need to change them on any year for a serious setup.
Clutch - not sure on this one, but most swap out to something better anyhow
heads - make no odds in power terms. Well not enough difference anyhow. Most just go to aftermarket ones. TSP sell ported LS6 heads for under £1000
01/2 has a MILDER cam than 98-00
Tuning is the same for 99-02 it's the SAME ECU only 98 Fbody and 97-8 Corvette had different ECU.
Oh yeah a NEW LS6 intake is available from SLP/TSP for only $400
PRICE & CONDITION are more important than age. If yo plan on keeping it 100% stock then the later model has some benifits. If you plan on modding it offers very few. Essentially if you where looking at two cars, identical spec, condition and mileage but one was a 2000 and the other 2001 then it would come down to price. If the 01 was more than $500 extra IMO it's a cost not worth spending.
But each to their own. Check the sticky's out though as one lists ALL changes from each year.
06-21-2006, 06:29 PM
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Originally Posted by 300bhp/ton
eh?
EGR you can take off (01/02 have internal EGR due to cam).
Injectors are fine for bolt ons mild cam. You would need to change them on any year for a serious setup.
Clutch - not sure on this one, but most swap out to something better anyhow
heads - make no odds in power terms. Well not enough difference anyhow. Most just go to aftermarket ones. TSP sell ported LS6 heads for under £1000
01/2 has a MILDER cam than 98-00
Tuning is the same for 99-02 it's the SAME ECU only 98 Fbody and 97-8 Corvette had different ECU.
Oh yeah a NEW LS6 intake is available from SLP/TSP for only $400
PRICE & CONDITION are more important than age. If yo plan on keeping it 100% stock then the later model has some benifits. If you plan on modding it offers very few. Essentially if you where looking at two cars, identical spec, condition and mileage but one was a 2000 and the other 2001 then it would come down to price. If the 01 was more than $500 extra IMO it's a cost not worth spending.
But each to their own. Check the sticky's out though as one lists ALL changes from each year.
EGR you can take off (01/02 have internal EGR due to cam).
Injectors are fine for bolt ons mild cam. You would need to change them on any year for a serious setup.
Clutch - not sure on this one, but most swap out to something better anyhow
heads - make no odds in power terms. Well not enough difference anyhow. Most just go to aftermarket ones. TSP sell ported LS6 heads for under £1000
01/2 has a MILDER cam than 98-00
Tuning is the same for 99-02 it's the SAME ECU only 98 Fbody and 97-8 Corvette had different ECU.
Oh yeah a NEW LS6 intake is available from SLP/TSP for only $400
PRICE & CONDITION are more important than age. If yo plan on keeping it 100% stock then the later model has some benifits. If you plan on modding it offers very few. Essentially if you where looking at two cars, identical spec, condition and mileage but one was a 2000 and the other 2001 then it would come down to price. If the 01 was more than $500 extra IMO it's a cost not worth spending.
But each to their own. Check the sticky's out though as one lists ALL changes from each year.
c5 z06 clutch is meh at best.
LS6 intake is awesome but as said you can get them cheap new even.
Injectors heads will be coming off for big builds
cam is smaller *when is that cool
*Only Fbody i'd steer clear from is a 98 but honestly the 98 can be made great and no reason to aviod. 98s didn't have a black box.
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06-21-2006, 06:31 PM
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Originally Posted by Camaroz
All the different years had MINOR differences not enough to justify looking for a certain year...
That said.. My 98 holds it's own even with 115K
That said.. My 98 holds it's own even with 115K
Actually I prefer some of the minor differences/parts on my '98 over the changes made to '01+. Yes, beleive it or not I just said that I like certain things about the '98 LS1s more than an '01+!!!! Holy **** somebody ban me.
FWIW, some late '00 cars got the 241 heads from '01+ (mine did).
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Out of the box, it's a better car. You can argue the upgrades and add/remove **** all you want. Look at stock for stock dyno #'s. Look at stock for stock tunned #'s. Look at stock track #'s. 01+ is a better strarting point.
06-21-2006, 06:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Ace$nyper
Only Fbody i'd steer clear from is a 98
Why does this rumor continue?
06-21-2006, 08:08 PM
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Originally Posted by davered00ss
Can't speed density tune the 98/99 PCM.
https://ls1tech.com/forums/pcm-diagnostics-tuning/491047-hp-tuners-98-2bar.html
06-21-2006, 08:51 PM
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Originally Posted by Camaroz
06-22-2006, 04:25 AM
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Originally Posted by RPM WS6
Why does this rumor continue?
Anyone considering a 98 should just be made a where rather than discouraged.
06-22-2006, 04:33 AM
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Originally Posted by davered00ss
Out of the box, it's a better car.
Originally Posted by davered00ss
You can argue the upgrades and add/remove **** all you want.
Originally Posted by davered00ss
Look at stock for stock dyno #'s. Look at stock for stock tunned #'s.
2. Dyno numbers are all comparable as the milder cam of 01/2 cars negates much of the benfit of the LS6 intake. Also for a stock cam any of the stock heads are sufficent, albeit not great.
Originally Posted by davered00ss
Look at stock track #'s.
Originally Posted by davered00ss
01+ is a better strarting point.
If keeping it stock, then yes but the margin is so SMALL. If modifying then it matters not at all.
I don't really understand your mentality here, it seems as if you are trying to create a rift between 98-00 and 01-02 owners
At the end of the day if you WANT a 01-02 get it, it's a great car, but so too are the 98-00 cars. And the changes really don't make any real odds in the "big picture".
06-22-2006, 04:35 AM
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I put down 350/350 with bolts-ons on my 2000 with LS1 intake. I have the 241 heads though.
Just wait until I get the HotCam and tune. lol
I have the 241 heads though. Just wait until I get the HotCam and tune. lol
Just an FYI.
but you may want to reconsider the Hot Cam. sure it's nice an all and will give a nice lopey'ish idle. But you can make a decent amount more power with equal or better road mannors from other cams. And they really won't cost you much more $$ either.
A TR224/224 would be a good starting place (Thunder Racing). In 114 LSA it will idle similar to stock yet offer more punch than the GM Hot Cam.
Have a read thru the LS1 internal forum there's a lot of good advice in there.
06-22-2006, 04:43 AM
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Just an FYI.
but you may want to reconsider the Hot Cam. sure it's nice an all and will give a nice lopey'ish idle. But you can make a decent amount more power with equal or better road mannors from other cams. And they really won't cost you much more $$ either.
A TR224/224 would be a good starting place (Thunder Racing). In 114 LSA it will idle similar to stock yet offer more punch than the GM Hot Cam.
Have a read thru the LS1 internal forum there's a lot of good advice in there.