Most RWHP on stock cam, naturally aspirated...
09-28-2008, 10:05 PM
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bolt ons. anything other than internals or heads. IE: intake manifold, TB , air lid ,MAF, headers + exhaust, bellows. I miss anything anyone?
09-28-2008, 10:11 PM
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So what are some track numbers and perhaps trap speeds with the stock cam?
In the 1/8th mile, I've seen 8.2 @ 88 mph on a stock cam N/A "stripper" yet full bolt on automatic Camaro Z28.
Very impressive for even a stock cam, stock sounding 600 rpm idle with only something like a 200/200 duration @ about a .500/.500 lift, 117 LSA... :thumbs:
Pretty wicked compared to a small block with a radical sounding 230/230 cam, .550/.550 lift, 111 LSA.
But the LS1 car also gets a ton better gas mileage.
In the 1/8th mile, I've seen 8.2 @ 88 mph on a stock cam N/A "stripper" yet full bolt on automatic Camaro Z28.
Very impressive for even a stock cam, stock sounding 600 rpm idle with only something like a 200/200 duration @ about a .500/.500 lift, 117 LSA... :thumbs:
Pretty wicked compared to a small block with a radical sounding 230/230 cam, .550/.550 lift, 111 LSA.
But the LS1 car also gets a ton better gas mileage.
09-28-2008, 11:46 PM
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Track numbers can't be skewed faster though. If you mess up you go slower. Dyno numbers can be skewed higher than they are. I mean you see full bolt on cars making on avg 350 or so through an M6. But then you have guys claiming the same HP with just a lid and catback?? Then there are dynos that have stock LS1's in the 330's or 340's. Its all in the dyno, to compare numbers you would all have to be on the same machine. Track numbers can't be faked to be faster anyway..
09-28-2008, 11:53 PM
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For some reason the A4 could "beat" an M6 with similar mods, but the M6 would almost always dyno higher. It happens a lot with the LT1 F-body cars.
And manual Civics ALWAYS outrun their automatic counterparts. Hmmmm....
And manual Civics ALWAYS outrun their automatic counterparts. Hmmmm....
09-29-2008, 12:23 AM
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Track numbers can't be skewed faster though. If you mess up you go slower. Dyno numbers can be skewed higher than they are. I mean you see full bolt on cars making on avg 350 or so through an M6. But then you have guys claiming the same HP with just a lid and catback?? Then there are dynos that have stock LS1's in the 330's or 340's. Its all in the dyno, to compare numbers you would all have to be on the same machine. Track numbers can't be faked to be faster anyway..
09-29-2008, 01:00 AM
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8.2 is very possible, Krazy4 posted above hit 8.2 and he isnt near full bolt ons, just had some drag radials. If you want an example of a good bolt on car that is the best I have seen, no longtubes with stock manifolds,cats,y pipe and no weight reduction and that car moves. Alot has to do with driving being as its an M6 but Krazy4 is a damn good driver.
09-29-2008, 01:07 AM
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So what are some track numbers and perhaps trap speeds with the stock cam?
In the 1/8th mile, I've seen 8.2 @ 88 mph on a stock cam N/A "stripper" yet full bolt on automatic Camaro Z28.
Very impressive for even a stock cam, stock sounding 600 rpm idle with only something like a 200/200 duration @ about a .500/.500 lift, 117 LSA... :thumbs:
Pretty wicked compared to a small block with a radical sounding 230/230 cam, .550/.550 lift, 111 LSA.
But the LS1 car also gets a ton better gas mileage.
In the 1/8th mile, I've seen 8.2 @ 88 mph on a stock cam N/A "stripper" yet full bolt on automatic Camaro Z28.
Very impressive for even a stock cam, stock sounding 600 rpm idle with only something like a 200/200 duration @ about a .500/.500 lift, 117 LSA... :thumbs:
Pretty wicked compared to a small block with a radical sounding 230/230 cam, .550/.550 lift, 111 LSA.
But the LS1 car also gets a ton better gas mileage.
09-29-2008, 09:25 AM
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One thing to point out is that although you may see a stock internals go 10.80s (like in that list), it doesn't mean most stock internals cars on the street will run that number. Those are extremely light weight race only setups. To get a proper analysis of ETs, you need to factor in weight in to the equation.
09-29-2008, 11:17 AM
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Because of gearing and how what the transmission is made for. Civics are economy car, and the autos are built to get you to the grocery store and back, not drag racing. To top it off Civics are completely gutless in lower RPMs, where the autos will be launching at...
09-29-2008, 08:38 PM
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One thing to point out is that although you may see a stock internals go 10.80s (like in that list), it doesn't mean most stock internals cars on the street will run that number. Those are extremely light weight race only setups. To get a proper analysis of ETs, you need to factor in weight in to the equation.
09-29-2008, 11:29 PM
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The bolt on record is about 380RWHP, but it costs a whole lot more to get there then it would to do H/C, and its only going to happen through an M6 w/a 10bolt and stock gears. Its more than just power mods, you need a light weight flywheel/clutch, carbon fiber driveshaft ($$$), light wheels, etc. etc.
If you're set on keeping the stock cam, someone made 380RWHP with very basic bolt ons and some AFR heads.
If you're set on keeping the stock cam, someone made 380RWHP with very basic bolt ons and some AFR heads.
man please explain why making that power is only gonna happen through a 10bolt w/ stock gears? why on earth would that matter
09-30-2008, 12:11 AM
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I made 367 with a 228 cam. Since then i have added an ls6 intake,pulley,4.10's single chamber muffler and a ported throttle body. Havent had it back on the dyno but i hoping for 390 tuned.