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kbronSS 05-12-2019 06:48 PM

Screw the cam swap get nitrous instead?
 
I have zero knowledge on nitrous, only its pronounced naawwwss lol. Mods are lid, lt's, oryp, ls6 intake, hand ported 243's, underdrive pulley, 3:73, on a automatic trans. Its a 2000 ls1 so the stock cam is in there, i just want a basic kit for a street racer, no dragstrip no hardcore racer. Im guessing a 75 to 100 shot is all ill see. Just to take care of the ls3, coyote, srt hemi. Thats it, shouldnt need too much. I didnt want to loose any driveability so im thinking this might be better for me.

chevyss2008 05-13-2019 12:17 PM

I don't mean to hurt your feelings, but a 100 shot isn't going to make that happen. Im running a NA LS3 in my WS6 and have outrun other F bodies spraying a 150 on HCI LS1....Just my .02

Tuskyz28 05-13-2019 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by chevyss2008 (Post 20094858)
I don't mean to hurt your feelings, but a 100 shot isn't going to make that happen. Im running a NA LS3 in my WS6 and have outrun other F bodies spraying a 150 on HCI LS1....Just my .02


Out of curiosity.... how fast have you been at the track ?

itSSlowZ28 05-13-2019 03:27 PM


Originally Posted by chevyss2008 (Post 20094858)
I don't mean to hurt your feelings, but a 100 shot isn't going to make that happen. Im running a NA LS3 in my WS6 and have outrun other F bodies spraying a 150 on HCI LS1....Just my .02

can't agree with you there. a h/c/I ls1 making 430 plus 150 shouldn't get beat by an n/a ls3 if its a clean run. basic math says that

OP, start with a 100 shot and go from there. you'll be surprised what it does. definitely will get you around those cars if they're stock

kbronSS 05-13-2019 05:32 PM

Live in a real small community. Absolutely no modded versions of those cars i mentioned. Maybe exhaust thats it.

98CayenneT/A 05-13-2019 05:40 PM

A nitrous dedicated converter and a 100 shot will scoot really good. You will hold your own just fine.

kbronSS 05-13-2019 08:45 PM

So as far as kits go, i would rather it be hidden under the hood, is the HALO kit the only one available as far as already being a hidden kit?

dannyz 05-14-2019 12:23 AM


Originally Posted by chevyss2008 (Post 20094858)
I don't mean to hurt your feelings, but a 100 shot isn't going to make that happen. Im running a NA LS3 in my WS6 and have outrun other F bodies spraying a 150 on HCI LS1....Just my .02

Oh, sure you did.

flintwrench69 05-17-2019 03:17 PM


Originally Posted by itSSlowZ28 (Post 20094949)
can't agree with you there. a h/c/I ls1 making 430 plus 150 shouldn't get beat by an n/a ls3 if its a clean run. basic math says that

OP, start with a 100 shot and go from there. you'll be surprised what it does. definitely will get you around those cars if they're stock

With his stock cam car & 100 shot I can believe he'd get beat by a well built LS3

Kfxguy 05-17-2019 03:58 PM


Originally Posted by chevyss2008 (Post 20094858)
I don't mean to hurt your feelings, but a 100 shot isn't going to make that happen. Im running a NA LS3 in my WS6 and have outrun other F bodies spraying a 150 on HCI LS1....Just my .02

This is a dumb post. YOU have an LS3 in a 4th gen f body. Thats not the norm. The norm is a heavy, 4000lb 5th gen with an ls3. Maybe you wanted a pat on the back? pat,pat,pat. LOL.

a heads/intake/exhaust ls1 4th gen with a 100 shot will outrun those cars mentioned unless they are well modded.

with that being said, I saw screw nitrous and do a cam instead. Filling a bottle all the time, having to rely on that junk to go fast, solenoids sticking, low bottle pressure...etc etc....meh...i hate nitrous. I'd rather have it all the time. You'll get caught with your pants down too many times. You'll have the bottle closed, empty, too cold (so pressure is too low). Now look, if you like headaches, excuses and problems.....then by all means.....get you some nitrous. I know i know, you'll have the die hard pro-nitrous fools jump in and say, "O, I had nitrous on my car for 53 years and i never had any problems....and I could get 100 passes out of one bottle. Trust me dude, youll have issues and you get maybe 10 runs per bottle. WHO REALLY WANTS TO BE LIMITED TO THAT? NOT ME. Do the cam, then build you a big motor or save up for a turbo or super charger and never look back. Skip the nitrous. Thats my honest opinion from personal experience.

I never damaged a motor from NOS. And i had my fun with it back in the day, thats when getting a bottle filled was half the price it is now. But I dont miss the Having to heat the bottle junk, solenoids corroding and sticking, the running out at the worst possible time...scrambling to borrow bottle from people, getting accused of spraying when I wasnt. Now I have a turbo....what they gonna do, tell me disconnect the turbo? Run what you brung. I got tricked one time. It bothers me to this day. I had one of the fastest street cars around. There was this guy with a race car, a nova. It ran like 11.20 on motor and I dont know what on nitrous. My car trapped alot more mph motor for motor. Well they told me leave my bottle at home because we were running motor vs motor. And they checked my car when I got there, I was well out numbered by his people, So i didnt get to check his car. I drove the car out of town to run this guy, it was me by myself. He trailered his there. Well story changed when I got there. I was set up, to lose. And i did. But I found out later that the guy was extremely bothered that he beat me by one car length when He had to spray me and I was on motor AND drove the car there. Morel of the story, You'll get caught with your pants down and its gonna bother you later on.

kbronSS 05-18-2019 01:33 AM

Lol...yeah ive thought about that a lot since i dont know anything about the nitrous set ups and what all makes it work. I know its not just press a button like in the movies, and im actually really worried about regreting it later on. BUT what type of cam would i have to get to give me 100whp, and worse, i can imagine the driveability of it. Im not trying to get a stall and not out to build a drag car. After talking to different cam companys, even they suggested it.

KissMyTushZ28 05-18-2019 03:25 AM


Originally Posted by chevyss2008 (Post 20094858)
I don't mean to hurt your feelings, but a 100 shot isn't going to make that happen. Im running a NA LS3 in my WS6 and have outrun other F bodies spraying a 150 on HCI LS1....Just my .02

Uhh, my manual intake and catback only WS.6 was door to door on the street with 5.0s and SRT8s with the same mods... And I beat a couple of SS 5th gens in close races. That's with no nitrous so I don't know how you don't think a 100 shot is not going to make that happen.

OP, If you're running other modded cars of course you never know what could be done to them and how that will go, but just to wax bolt on 5.0s and SRT8s? Your bolt ons and a 100 shot should be plenty. Especially on an auto where you don't have to shift or worry about your launch as much.

Kfxguy 05-18-2019 11:06 AM


Originally Posted by kbronSS (Post 20097184)
Lol...yeah ive thought about that a lot since i dont know anything about the nitrous set ups and what all makes it work. I know its not just press a button like in the movies, and im actually really worried about regreting it later on. BUT what type of cam would i have to get to give me 100whp, and worse, i can imagine the driveability of it. Im not trying to get a stall and not out to build a drag car. After talking to different cam companys, even they suggested it.

The summit stage one ghost cam will work very well. I donít think youíll need a stall. Itíll idle at 600-625, pulls to 6800-7000 and a member on here made 445rwhp with it through an auto with a big stall. Iíd rather do that than nitrous.

5.7stroker 05-18-2019 03:26 PM


Originally Posted by Kfxguy (Post 20097007)
This is a dumb post. YOU have an LS3 in a 4th gen f body. Thats not the norm. The norm is a heavy, 4000lb 4th gen with an ls3.

OP said he wants to outrun 5th gen SS and C6 vettes. chevyss2008 said he has an ls3 in his car which weighs a little less than a 5th gen. So if he's beating HCI nitrous ls1's with his NA ls3 at a few 100 lbs less than the 5th gen, how was his post dumb? The lower weight c6 would be an even harder race.

All that said, a 5th gen Camaro SS pulls on the 4th generation ls1 on the top end every time but a 100 shot on top should be enough to outrun a 5th gen ls3.

G Atsma 05-18-2019 03:43 PM


Originally Posted by Kfxguy (Post 20097007)
This is a dumb post.
YOU have an LS3 in a 4th gen f body.
The norm is a heavy, 4000lb 4th gen with an ls3. .
.

Aren't these the same thing???

5.7stroker 05-18-2019 03:44 PM


Originally Posted by G Atsma (Post 20097332)
Aren't these the same thing???

I'm assuming he meant "the norm is a heavy 4000lb ls1"

G Atsma 05-18-2019 03:47 PM


Originally Posted by 5.7stroker (Post 20097335)
I'm assuming he meant "the norm is a heavy 4000lb ls1"

Oh OK, I guess I didn't assume that. In this case ASS U ME would have proven itself....

KissMyTushZ28 05-18-2019 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by 5.7stroker (Post 20097324)
OP said he wants to outrun 5th gen SS and C6 vettes. chevyss2008 said he has an ls3 in his car which weighs a little less than a 5th gen. So if he's beating HCI nitrous ls1's with his NA ls3 at a few 100 lbs less than the 5th gen, how was his post dumb? The lower weight c6 would be an even harder race.

All that said, a 5th gen Camaro SS pulls on the 4th generation ls1 on the top end every time but a 100 shot on top should be enough to outrun a 5th gen ls3.

I'd beg to differ about pulling up top. That's usually where I came around 5th Gen SSs in my WS.6.

Kfxguy 05-18-2019 04:44 PM


Originally Posted by G Atsma (Post 20097332)
Aren't these the same thing???

Typo. Fixed

Kfxguy 05-18-2019 04:49 PM


Originally Posted by 5.7stroker (Post 20097324)
OP said he wants to outrun 5th gen SS and C6 vettes. chevyss2008 said he has an ls3 in his car which weighs a little less than a 5th gen. So if he's beating HCI nitrous ls1's with his NA ls3 at a few 100 lbs less than the 5th gen, how was his post dumb? The lower weight c6 would be an even harder race.

All that said, a 5th gen Camaro SS pulls on the 4th generation ls1 on the top end every time but a 100 shot on top should be enough to outrun a 5th gen ls3.

Man look. A 5th gen has a less efficient trans and independent rear suspension. Itís more to it than weight. A 4th gen with an ls3 is a very formidable opponent. Is a lighter car, more aerodynamic, lighter and more efficient drive train. Lighter wheels and brakes. You can not compare the two. Even if a 4th gen is lighter by only 300lbs (3800 vs 3500 with is the weights of these two vehicles) the 4th gen with the same stuff done to it will walk all over a 5th gen. Iíve had both. The rotating mass on the 4th gen is much less. That accounts for much more than static weight. I didnít think Iíd have to explain all that, but this is the internet and as usual, someone will disagree.


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