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RENE'S RAGE 06-12-2009 06:21 PM

Can You Eliminate Knock Sensors?
 
Can you bypass or tune out the knock sensors? I want to do away with the knock sensors because of so much vibration that the car puts out. I dont want the knock sensors to retard time because of all the vibration. Thanks George

troopercar 06-12-2009 06:27 PM

Yes you can with HPTuners under engine>spark control> knock sensors.


Better be sure your tune is good.

RENE'S RAGE 06-12-2009 06:47 PM

Thanks, but what do you mean about the tune being good.

troopercar 06-12-2009 06:55 PM

I mean if it is too lean or too much timing and that is why it's pulling spark and you defeat that safety feature, boom. busted piston.

make sure it is false knock, I mean.

brianfromhawaii 06-12-2009 07:19 PM

i just changed the sensitivity :)

troopercar 06-12-2009 07:41 PM


Originally Posted by brianfromhawaii (Post 11748003)
i just changed the sensitivity :)

Me too, but mine is a street car and I am willing to give up just a little to make sure she doesn't die. Race car you can go more ragged edge on timing and AFR but understand the risk.

RENE'S RAGE 06-12-2009 07:48 PM

My car is race only. I just install 3.5" Bullets and turndowns after the headers and car shakes very bad, and I don't want the knock sensors to pull timing. Old school motors didn't have knock sensors.

troopercar 06-12-2009 07:50 PM


Originally Posted by RENE'S RAGE (Post 11748130)
My car is race only. I just install 3.5" Bullets and turndowns after the headers and car shakes very bad, and I don't want the knock sensors to pull timing. Old school motors didn't have knock sensors.

That's true but they also broke pistons if they weren't tuned right. Get it right and no worries.

RENE'S RAGE 06-12-2009 07:52 PM


Originally Posted by troopercar (Post 11748136)
That's true but they also broke pistons if they weren't tuned right. Get it right and no worries.

Very true. I need to research some more. Thanks for the advice.

troopercar 06-12-2009 07:55 PM

The main thing is; don't spend thousands on the car and save $350 by skipping the wideband. Tune it with a wideband O2 sensor hooked into HPTuners and make sur the AFR is right and the timing is right and you'll be fine. The computer and fuel injection will let you get the tune better than you ever could old school.

RENE'S RAGE 06-12-2009 08:00 PM

Yeah, my tuner uses a wideband when tuning the car

troopercar 06-12-2009 08:11 PM

good deal, make sure it delivers real close to what it commands and keep it around 12.5-13.0 AFR and you'll be set. Richer if on the sauce or if the car likes it according to ET's.

racecar 06-13-2009 02:18 AM

That knock detector is the best friend that you have under the hood. It will keep the motor from detonating and destroying itself. All of that noise from the exhaust does not even register on that sensor, it is lookng for a specific high frequency knock. Use them to make that motor work to it's best, and not destruct if you get the tune wrong.

3fingas 06-13-2009 08:29 AM


Originally Posted by racecar (Post 11749471)
That knock detector is the best friend that you have under the hood. It will keep the motor from detonating and destroying itself. All of that noise from the exhaust does not even register on that sensor, it is lookng for a specific high frequency knock. Use them to make that motor work to it's best, and not destruct if you get the tune wrong.

+1. If your getting knock, when are you getting it? Low MAP or WOT. The only time I would desensitize them is when your running a solid roller. Other than that try changing up fuel. Might be a quick fix.

RENE'S RAGE 06-13-2009 10:42 AM

Thanks everyone, keep it coming, I'm learning more and more about this. Hope to be taken it to the tuner next week. Another ? I can't get rid of the PO200 code, will this retard timing. I've OHM out the wires to the injectors, put on the NOID lite, new injectors, put the injectors on their on fuse, put in different PCM and nothing will clear the code. Car runs like SHIT with this code. Any ideas.

transam150 06-20-2009 11:05 AM

with all those mods and a 382 lunati kit you cant run but a 7.02?

RENE'S RAGE 06-20-2009 01:35 PM


Originally Posted by transam150 (Post 11786688)
with all those mods and a 382 lunati kit you cant run but a 7.02?

Who the FUCK are you.

3fingas 06-20-2009 03:51 PM

Have you seen DTC P0606? If so Injector drivers within pcm. Try loosening and re tighten all engine grounds. Plus ensure all ur pcm pins are seated.

GL

00bowtiejunkie 06-20-2009 04:20 PM


Originally Posted by RENE'S RAGE (Post 11787230)
Who the FUCK are you.

Haha really,that was random and kinda rude...... :gtfo: And low 7's is not slow at all......

RENE'S RAGE 06-20-2009 05:52 PM


Originally Posted by 3fingas (Post 11787698)
Have you seen DTC P0606? If so Injector drivers within pcm. Try loosening and re tighten all engine grounds. Plus ensure all ur pcm pins are seated.

GL

Haven't seen PO606. Just PO200. it want pinpoint which injector. I'm going to take the engine harness off and check all the wires and connections and might send off PCM to have the drivers check also. Thanks for the info.


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