Austrian Vette

I will buy a tuning tool for my C5.

I dojoy the AEM on the Supra and itīs real time tuning.

Iīve seen EFI and HP, both have RTT.

EFI has Automatic RTT...so I can use the wideband to adjust A/F settings.
That sounds very promising.

I think HP hasnīt finished that, yet.

BTW, do both have then possibillity to compare tables from different tunes and the possibillity to copy/paste ?? I think HP can do it...donīt know on EFI.

I really need help to decide which of these two tuning tools I should get.

Thanks a lot in advance !!

foff667

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It really depends on what you want, what you feel comfortable with & your price range.

Our real time tuning works on most 99-04 LSX based pcm's/operating systems and uses the factory pcm, we simply alter the code to be able to utilize Real Time Tuning.

Moates' system(not efilive's) creates a completely different board housed within an LS1 pcm shell so its more of a standalone than anything.

Theres will be able to edit everything from fan temp turn on's to VE, ours will just do about 20 of your main tables ie VE, PE, spark, idle, kr, etc.

Their's will run about $1500 if packaged with their V2 editing/scanning package, ours will run about $650 with our pro version.

Apples to oranges in some cases but both would get the job done pretty efficiently.

Austrian Vette

Can I get compressor or turbos tuned perfect with EFI or HP?
I know it was a big problem to get turbo cars or kompressor cars tuned right, a few years ago....

Whatīs the main difeference between EFI and HP?

Hp cannot do the automatic RTT (for example using the wideband), yet, right?

foff667

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shouldn't be an issue here's a recent post about a guy making 800+rwhp with our system http://forums.corvetteforum.com/show...72&postcount=7 and you can also view several of our featured vehicles right on our homepage http://www.hptuners.com/ many of which making 800+ with turbo setup's pushing 15+ psi.

You'll find most of the differences listed within this thread https://ls1tech.com/forums/pcm-diagnostics-tuning/368718-read-me-best-ls1-tuning-software-best-scanner-best-handheld.html both packages took different routes & thinking to get to the same place ie LS1 tuning.

Correct with ours you need to either use the copy & paste feature within windows or the +/- keys to add or remove fueling, spark, idle speed, etc.

You can view the demo I created here http://www.thetuningdoctor.com/HPTun...stomsized.html which should help you understand a bit more how simple it is to use & setup for that matter. Less then 5 minutes of work to be up and running using the stock pcm.

slow

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EFI live wins hands down, for best option.

But bang for the buck, it is a tossup. you can do most common things live with hpt, but it is just a little more clumsy.

Ryan

Austrian Vette

Iīm not looking to get the cheapest tuning tool.
If the EFI can do more or can do it better/easier, then Iīll get that.

I just found that:

http://www.moates.net/roadrunner/com...Comparison.pdf

Looks like EFI can do way more/better?!?


I still like the fact that I can install a wideband, plug it into the EFI and let EFI adjust the A/F tables, so that the A/F is like I want it to be.

If I do understand it right, I cannot do that with HP?!

joecar

Austrian Vette,

A few comments:
- HPT does RTT by utilizing unused memory space in the PCM; EFILive requires installation of a "Roadrunner" PCM which replaces the original PCM and can be tuned/edited in realtime using EFILive software on-the-fly.
- The Roadrunner supports bluetooth connection.
- PCM replacement in a Vette does require a lot more work due to it's location.
- EFILive also supplies a few custom OS's which support boost and nitrous; 800+ HP is no problem, and there is a EFILive user pushing 1000 HP in his Chevelle.
- Like Bill said, "apples to oranges" comparison; you should visit each company's forum and ask specific questions.

Cheers,
Joe

foff667

iTrader: (2)

yeah unfortunately that comparison is highly inaccurate, I've asked that it be redone and gave the information needed to be changed but that never happened

Number of simultaneous real time calibrations-up to 8(in the demo I posted there are 7 for that mode) so definitely over the 5 their comparison says
Reflash speed (Calibrations)-20-30seconds
Realtime cell feedback-Yes

I would need to check on all the others but Im sure there are other errors as well, not much I can do about it though since Im not the author

joecar

Correct [if you install the Roadrunner].

Austrian Vette

Thanks for the infos !!

Seems I really need to look deeper into it bevore I can decide......

Austrian Vette

But thatīs a damn nice thing !
Sure itīs VERY helpful.



Not easy.....will be some work until I know what suits me best......

dmart

iTrader: (3)

HP tuners wont alter the table for you, you just have to paste the results yourself, it's insanely easy.

TAQuickness

iTrader: (28)

You can't go wrong with the RR. The RTACS feature of EFILive and RR (real time automatic calibration) is bad to the bone! No tinker toy's here!

But, end of the day, it's your money and your decision on how it's best spent.

wait4me

iTrader: (10)

You can call us directly if you have any tech questions on both the efilive software or the awsome roadrunner unit. With EFILive you dont get charged for Custom operating systems and they support very high hp. There are several customers of efilive and the roadrunner making 1000+ hp in very drivable cars, myself included and a few on the boards. We have both in stock and ship same day also so you dont have to wait long for anything. With the road runner hardware you get to change ANY THING in the pcm instantly. There are no restrictions to it at all.

Slowhawk

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Tuning is not like it was a few years ago,it's alot better now. Usually it takes me 1 -1.5hr's to completely tune in a 800-900rwhp Turbo car on the street. This is with no real time tuner,just record,copy,paste method. So I would expect real time to be even faster. In the end the cars run perfect from idle to a vary of boost levels.

Doc

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Seeing how you are just getting your feet wet, product support is going to be key to your future success, I suggest you subscribe to both companies forums and decide for yourself which is best for you.

Austrian Vette

Allready doing that

LS1MCSS

iTrader: (18)

Did I read the Moates page wrong, or do you still need EFI Live on your laptop to tune the Roadrunner pcm? If so, that's another $750 added to the price.

shoemike

iTrader: (25)

how can you say it is REAL time tuning?
the moates RR is a very versatile tune tool even though it is more expensive.
the only real draw back to it, is efilive is slow to make any upgrades with it.
you can only make changes by multiplying logged data.
i have been asking them to make the software capable
of selecting how logged data is applied.
I.E. add for RAFIG, subtract for knock ect.
with the RR you can download a whole tune
to the PCM while the car is running
and while logging it will make changes
via WBO2 instantly and automatically not manually paste and whatever.

Frost

iTrader: (45)

Copy and paste saves a buttload of money seeing as how at the base purchase rate of HPTuners, you get enough credits to have RTT on your factory PCM without spending a dime past the cost of the software. It is real time, subtract 2 from a VE cell and watch the wideband drop. Ride around, plot VE error, paste it over the VE table in the scanner and watch it update immeadiately as driving.

I use HPT for tuning, and with a whole vehicle group unlocked, and the MAF-enhanced unlocked, I can put RTT on every car I tune with a MAF FOR FREE. Makes things much quicker. I am a big fan.