Ronny_02_WS6

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I read that is a good one for the price, I plan to have a street tune, so far I have Full bolt ons but want to go with TR TRak cam only, would it be a bad idea to get it???

MUSTANGBRKR02

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No its a very good wideband

01ssreda4

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I've heard its one of the best for the money. That's what I'm using to tune with.

Ronny_02_WS6

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That's good to hear, does part #91101 comes with everything or do I need to get anything else???

Lambert695

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I have that one and love it, the only downside is that its a box so It can't really go in any pods but its a very nice unit. It comes with everything to install with.

mcdonald77

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I just ordered one from amazon.com $252 with 1 day shipping!

RogerStout

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I just got on here looking for Grommet locations to run the wiring for mine.. LOL

Here is what is in the box and where I installed mine.





You get the unit, O2 bung to weld in, sensor, wiring and instructions..



I am not one to cut up my interior parts but the cubby is easy to replace if I ever take it out.

davidws6

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+1 on the NGK. I've had mine for 2 yrs and no problems !

Atomic

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I have it as well. The display is very slow to respond which is annoying, but the analog out (the important part for tuning) is very fast. It has a more useful range than most (9 to 16 instead of the 10-20).

SargeZ06

You're right. It's a GREAT wideband.

SargeZ06

Speedhut makes a round gauge for the NGK AFX now that you can run the 5v analog output wire to.

2000_SS

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The sensor is badass, the little black box is trash. I have one and love it, but don't pay any attention to the little black box when tuning. If you can get another gauge for a pillar pod, then that might be ok for when you're just driving around, but for tuning you should disregard the box and focus on the scanner on your computer at all times.

KurtRardin

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I installed mine behind the dash where I couldn't see it and hardwired it into my HP Tuners data logger. I've got the OBD port coming out the drivers side, and the USB coming out the passenger side for the laptop. I figure if the display isn't going to be correct anyway then I don't want to see it. The readout that it gives is slightly off. I don't exactly remember the particulars of it, and ever since tuning using units of lambda I could care less what the AFR number is. When you tune with lambda you define what stoich is (which is different with ethenol fuels) so you just refer to your defined stoichiometric ratio as "1." If the number is greater than one, like 1.2, then you know you're 20% lean in that area, or if it's .80 then you're 20% richer than stoich. It makes tuning SO much easier. The NGK unit is great for tuning this way too.

01ssreda4

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An AFR error % is the same as a Lambda error % IMO. Makes no difference in tuning. What I mean is, you're reading an error and correcting the error, what's the difference what the numbers say?

itsslow98

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I have an Innovate MTX-L on my turbo cobra. Paid 175 shipped on ebay brand new from vendor. Its dead nuts on witht he dynos wideband. Also comes with a silver bezel,black, and black or white gauge backround.

gregrob

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What in the hell are you talking about? There going to say the same thing!

It is easier to slow it down and fine tune AFR if your LOGGING it though. Thats the only difference.

KurtRardin

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No, the box reads an AF that is slightly different than what is logged. In other words, if the box is reading 12.7 then your AFR isn't exactly 12.7, it's something else. It's not that far from being right, but it's not the same. It's been over a year since I installed it and did any tuning with it, but when mine was made the readout just gave a generic display which corresponded to a preset voltage table.

If you're buying this WB for a readout in the dash then don't expect it to match the true AFR. IIRC the owners manual has a short blurb about it. I think part of the reason is due to the various types of fuel available. Ethanol Free fuel will yield a different AFR.

The reason that it works well for tuning is that you have to make a custom setup for it. You have to define the voltage range being read from the NGK unit so that HPT knows what the AFR is at that particular voltage. This is also defined in the NGK user manual.

2000_SS

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the display isn't accurate for a vehicle that has a stoich value of 14.68. the AFX comes hardwired with 14.57 set as the stoich value if i recall and this must be taken into consideration when setting up the wideband in the scanner.

The black box doesn't show your AFR in "real time" relative to the sensor, it's much slower at displaying the data and, usually, isn't correct when considering the fuel blend being used.

2000_SS

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to add to that, that's why we like using lambda, not afr. stoich is always 1.00 for ANY fuel, whether its 93 octane, E85, diesel, 10% ethanol, etc., you just have to adjust your transfer function accordingly.

Widebands read in units of lamda and convert to AFR in the gauge to a number that is more familiar to most people.

SSpdDmon

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I love my AFX! The packaging was top notch, which made the install super easy (not the cardboard box it came in - the actual product).

As for the 14.57 vs 14.68, all that means is the digital box will read 0.1~0.2 points richer. But, as long as you're logging the voltage in EFI Live or HPT, that has no bearing on your data. How are you going to remember what AFR you saw at 4400 RPMs anyway? You're supposed to be watching the road.

At the end of the day, I give this unit 5 stars and would recommend it to anyone using premium pump gas.