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Old 07-16-2014, 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by rockoosi1
So once again just ot be clear. If for any reason you enter the BE but haven't gotten into PE, you will be in closed loop and the NB O2s /STFT/ LTFT will be fighting against you BE tables anyway correct?
That is correct.

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Originally Posted by danieloneil01
A 2 bar OS goes way past 105kPa, it doubles actually.
Great point! I just always assumed that the PE stopped at 105-110 KPA and then the BE picked up from there. I never realized that they both can cover the entire range.

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Originally Posted by Russ K
That is correct.

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Very interesting! What are your thoughts on just staying OL all the time on a more track oriented car? I've heard guys say they can achieve better gas mileage even on street cars by doing it this way. And even if you don't agree with that method, what is the correct way to achieve it. My goal is to be able to better predict what my AFRs are going to be while setting up my tune and eliminate as many variables as possible.
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Originally Posted by rockoosi1
Great point! I just always assumed that the PE stopped at 105-110 KPA and then the BE picked up from there. I never realized that they both can cover the entire range.
You have the VE table for that. I've tried using the PE for a leaner mixture for vacuum and the BE for boost. I did a WOT pull and the BE didn't kick in until around 150kPa, so I ditched relying on it.
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So if I understand correctly, if PE enabled is set at 15kpa but your TPS percentage is not met you will not be in PE?

Best to just set BE the same as PE?
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Originally Posted by Russ K
Yes, if you don't enter PE you will be in closed loop. All the BE does is command a richer AFR, and the car will be in closed loop causing the fuel trims to go negative trying to keep the fueling at stoich.

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This explains some of my frustration with dialing in my LTFT

Would one disable BE by setting the enable map to the highest setting of 256?

NVM, found the answer. I could do that or set the whole table to 1.

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It's simple, make sure it goes into PE before BE and you won't have a problem at all.
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Originally Posted by NicD
It's simple, make sure it goes into PE before BE and you won't have a problem at all.
Is there a way to determine that you've actually entered PE before BE?
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Originally Posted by rockoosi1
Is there a way to determine that you've actually entered PE before BE?
Other then making sure you set your PE enablers before your BE ones? Setting up the throttle position to enable low and controlling it based off of the MAP readings is the easiet way to make sure.
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Originally Posted by NicD
Other then making sure you set your PE enablers before your BE ones? Setting up the throttle position to enable low and controlling it based off of the MAP readings is the easiet way to make sure.
Thats what I was thinking but I thought there was a better way to be sure. Thanks!
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Originally Posted by NicD
Other then making sure you set your PE enablers before your BE ones? Setting up the throttle position to enable low and controlling it based off of the MAP readings is the easiet way to make sure.
I disabled BE by setting the MAP enable to 256 and the enrichment to 1. I then set my PE MAP enable to 85 (which I think is too low as I enter PE quickly), TPS to 5% across.

My commanded stoich is 14.5. My enrichment is 1.24 up to 5k rpm and 1.30 over.

Should I raise my MAP enable?



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