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Geoff1200 Jan 23, 2019 09:18 AM

Don't know where to start...
 
I have a GM Performance LS3/4L65e combo installed in a 67 Chevelle. Engine turns over but I have no spark or fuel pressure, what have I overlooked? Any insight/advice is welcome! Anyone in the N.E. Florida area want to come by? Beer & food awaits....

Cheers,

Geoff

G Atsma Jan 23, 2019 10:49 AM

Check ALL connections and grounds.

DFORESI Jan 23, 2019 11:49 AM

Do you have access to the diagnostics on the PCM?

Have you pulled any codes?

Geoff1200 Jan 23, 2019 02:46 PM


Originally Posted by DFORESI (Post 20035686)
Do you have access to the diagnostics on the PCM?

Have you pulled any codes?

No codes or stored faults...

Geoff1200 Jan 23, 2019 02:49 PM


Originally Posted by G Atsma (Post 20035651)
Check ALL connections and grounds.

In process, this will take awhile. Put the car together with GREAT care, NO butt connectors etc... Grounds have grounds which go to ground, can't see forest for the trees, sighhh...

DFORESI Jan 23, 2019 02:51 PM

Can you get a multi-meter on the fuel pump harness, key up, and see if you read 12v?

Anything is possible, the pump could be dead, best to see that the PCM is sending power to prime the pump.

Start with the basics right?

Geoff1200 Jan 23, 2019 10:24 PM


Originally Posted by DFORESI (Post 20035769)
Can you get a multi-meter on the fuel pump harness, key up, and see if you read 12v?

Anything is possible, the pump could be dead, best to see that the PCM is sending power to prime the pump.

Start with the basics right?

Thanks

DFORESI Jan 24, 2019 06:55 AM

I was just thinking about this again. This may seem like a pretty basic thing, but is that VATS system disabled in the PCM calibration?

Geoff1200 Jan 24, 2019 09:00 AM


Originally Posted by DFORESI (Post 20036072)
I was just thinking about this again. This may seem like a pretty basic thing, but is that VATS system disabled in the PCM calibration?

Should be, it's all GM Performance goodies, a matched system. How can I verify? My obd II scanner is very basic.

DFORESI Jan 24, 2019 09:19 AM

I don't think you could verify it outside of pulling the calibration with HP Tuners or EFI Live or something similar.

The fact that there is no fuel pressure or spark makes me suspicious. I've had cars in the past where when the key wasn't recognized, it would still energize the starter and crank the engine, it just wouldn't fuel or energize the coils.

I still think checking the power to the pump is the place to start, if there's no power going to the pump then clearly it's a problem with wiring or calibration. If wiring is good, then I would suspect the problem lies within the PCM SW. The other possibility is that the key module isn't wired into the PCM correctly.

I don't have much experience with the GM Performance Kits if I'm being honest. Hopefully someone else can chime in.

G Atsma Jan 24, 2019 10:58 AM

IF it were a VATS issue alone, it WOULD start, but for only a second or two.

DFORESI Jan 24, 2019 12:23 PM


Originally Posted by G Atsma (Post 20036185)
IF it were a VATS issue alone, it WOULD start, but for only a second or two.

Good to know! I wasn't quite sure how the GM computers handled the anti-theft system.

Old Geezer Feb 1, 2019 07:28 AM

Scanner show rpm? If so, do you have a signal while engine is cranking?

cam Feb 1, 2019 03:58 PM

Compression, fuel, spark. Verify all those first. Fuel noid lights are handy for this and spark is easy as well as compression easy and fuel pressure easy. If all that checks out to sort through the wiring heres a simple guide;

All Orange wires are bat12v+BAT so you can check the pins and see what has orange and verify each is hot with the key off. All pink are 12v+IGN so you can check to see all those are hot with the key on ign. If all those check out you can check the grounds within the harness using a test light by using the positive term on the bat with the clip and the test light probe on the ground. If all that checks out on all fronts then you can verify the pins ( easy to do by color ) check the sensors and compare the colors to the PCM pins which you can find diagrams fro over at LS2swap

VATS related issues shouldn't be present if its a made for swap deal but you never know. I can tell you this much even though im not a tuner, buying HPtuners for swap related control alone is worth the money. There is an open source set up made by some board members here you could look into that might help but a handheld scan tool isnt going to help much if swapping LS motors is something you want to do more than one of. If its a one off? Find a good tuner who can sort out whats what and you can check most of the issues with wiring by verifying sensor function. Hope this is of some help


epfatboy Feb 3, 2019 09:01 AM

Agree with the HP Tuner/EFI Live comment, even if you don't tune it you can see into it and that is invaluable, even if you don't know what your doing at least others can help. This is on the market place now
https://ls1tech.com/forums/market/1914481

Agree with Orange and Pink wire focus first to ensure the batt and ign power is proper. Grounds are a bitch I'd check quality of ground as well.
Past that I'd be focusing on why the pump does not trigger a prime on key on condition. I'd add stand alone power to the pump first to see if it is working, if it is you know you have a PCM or RELAY problem.... start with the relay and verify key on is triggering the relay. just keep working back from there, alot of times if you fix one thing you fix many.

Good luck, I feel your pain.


cam Feb 4, 2019 05:50 AM

Grounds!!! Good catch yes of course how could I overlook stressing the importance of grounds. 99% of the time with auto electrical problems its ground related. Add more, the more the merrier.

Geoff1200 Feb 6, 2019 03:18 PM


Originally Posted by cam (Post 20041878)
Grounds!!! Good catch yes of course how could I overlook stressing the importance of grounds. 99% of the time with auto electrical problems its ground related. Add more, the more the merrier.

Thanks for the insight/advise Cam,EPFATBOY and Ol Geezer! Have some work to do now, the ONLY thing I'm sure of is, it is grounded, haha

DFORESI Feb 26, 2019 02:35 PM

Any updates?


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