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My STFT's are near 0 to -2 for whole histo, can someone look at my log?

Old 04-24-2005, 09:06 AM
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Default My STFT's are near 0 to -2 for whole histo, can someone look at my log?

After tuning my STFTs in SD i have gotten all my cells to 0 to -2 but when I replay the log and watch the chart display my STFTs are all over the place. Could someone look at my log and tell me they look ok/or I have an exhaust leak?

ASAP would be great. I dont know how to link a file to these pages!
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Originally Posted by 99whitews6
After tuning my STFTs in SD i have gotten all my cells to 0 to -2 but when I replay the log and watch the chart display my STFTs are all over the place. Could someone look at my log and tell me they look ok/or I have an exhaust leak?

ASAP would be great. I dont know how to link a file to these pages!
Yep, the chart will show your STFT's all over the place because they are all over the place. Go to the histogram, and display both the min and max values of your STFT's, and you'll see that they vary wildly. This is because during closed loop the AFR is in a constant rich/lean cycle, with the STFT's compensating accordingly. This is why we use the average STFT value for tuning.
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Is there a way to average them that works best, built into HPT or what? Still learning the program so maybe newb "?"
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Originally Posted by CAT3
Is there a way to average them that works best, built into HPT or what? Still learning the program so maybe newb "?"
right click on the histogram... select average..... value will then be the average value

as far as being all over the place... that's what you want... corresponds w/the VE table....
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I think by all over the place he means the values change a lot, not that they move to cells all over the place. I guess the next step after getting your stft's to average near zero, the next step would to be to get the standard dev near zero too.
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Flip, thats cool. Hadnt seen that in the help file, didnt look too hard either.

? Standard dev near zero?
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Originally Posted by CAT3
? Standard dev near zero?
Standard Deviation determines how close to the average values are... I don't believe this is very important in our situation however... if we were looking at how innacurate the O2 sensors were then yes.. Standard Deviation would help....

use the average option in the histogram and you'll be fine
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Cool. Thanks again Mike. I am waiting to get into the SD/VE tuning until I replace my IAC Valve. Its sticking and giving me issues, so figure its best to replace it first, as well just ordered my analog output cable for the LM-1. Soon, very soon.
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Oh, so do the average on the ST's, is there a way to copy it from the log (ctrl+c) to the editor, or do you have to go cell by cell and subtract/add the ST histogram??
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highlight the cells...
right click copy....
got to editor...
right click paste as special...Add...
do 1 click on polynomial smoothing....
reflash pcm.... do more driving....

lather... rinse... repeat....
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and don't forget the secondary ve table
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Sounds so simple for VE tuning. I wish the Dynamic Airflow vs. Running Airflow etc was so easy.
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Originally Posted by P Mack
and don't forget the secondary ve table
seems to be automatic in HPtuners.... I have never touhed my secondary table..and all the #'s match what I have done to the Primary table
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Originally Posted by soundengineer
seems to be automatic in HPtuners.... I have never touhed my secondary table..and all the #'s match what I have done to the Primary table

lol..never mind...looked a little closer...found a variance...guess I gotta fix that real quick...
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lol..never mind...looked a little closer...found a variance...guess I gotta fix that real quick...
no ...I looked again.... I just read the wrong line....
I dont see any variance betwwen my Primary and secondary tables....

other than secondary does it by 10s and primary does it by 5's on left side of my tables
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For SD, should your primary and secondary V.E. tables hold the same values?

Why?
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Originally Posted by Silverhawk_02TA
Yep, the chart will show your STFT's all over the place because they are all over the place. Go to the histogram, and display both the min and max values of your STFT's, and you'll see that they vary wildly. This is because during closed loop the AFR is in a constant rich/lean cycle, with the STFT's compensating accordingly. This is why we use the average STFT value for tuning.
alright, i have been tunign in SD mode for a while now and all my histo values were near zero. I re-enabled LTFT learn and plug the maf back in with the calibrated data. A good section of the histo for LTFT stayed right around 0 to -2 but the rest (40%) were in the negative teens. I set the MAF fail frequency back to zero and disabled LTFT learn again. Now my STFT histo is all over the place and my LTFT histo is pegged from 0 to -2 with no outlying values. Any ideas. I guess I am going to start tuning SD again and try to compile some more MAF calibration data this time.
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Originally Posted by 99whitews6
alright, i have been tunign in SD mode for a while now and all my histo values were near zero. I re-enabled LTFT learn and plug the maf back in with the calibrated data. A good section of the histo for LTFT stayed right around 0 to -2 but the rest (40%) were in the negative teens. I set the MAF fail frequency back to zero and disabled LTFT learn again. Now my STFT histo is all over the place and my LTFT histo is pegged from 0 to -2 with no outlying values. Any ideas. I guess I am going to start tuning SD again and try to compile some more MAF calibration data this time.
Yeah, I'd say the MAF put the whammy on your trims. Also, if you disabled your LTFT's in the Editor, you shouldn't be registering any LTFT's at all anymore, and your STFT's should settle back to where they were before. Did you disable them in the Editor, or just the Scanner?
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I know I disabled them in editor. Thats why i was so confused!! They did look good though even though they were disabled
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Try resetting your ltft's when you disable the ltft learn.

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