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Old 12-02-2007, 08:23 AM
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Default Car won't idle when cold, AFR 10:0 - is it good?

After cold start (at air temps of 40F) it won't idle without me pressing pedal. My cam is TR 214/220 .600/.523 115 LSA. Car has had a tune.
I've checked AFR in one of the banks, it goes as low as 10:1.
Is it normal with this cam?
Hate to drive it around town for first 3 minutes having to press both brake and gas pedals. Also, I can see that amount of gas in tank changes each minute during first minutes

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Oh and one more thing - while engine is cold, rpms drop very fast when I depress clutch pedal
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With your "tune," you didn't get much of one...that is the problem. I would post your bin up here, there are alot of folks on here that will get it headed in the right direction. You could also take it back for a tune...from the guy that originally "tuned" it.
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I'm in Europe, car was tuned in New Jersey (by previous owner)...
So 10:1 isn't right?
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10:1 is "normal" for cold start enrichment but it ought to fade fast as
the engine warms up. The issue is more likely that the cold idle airflow
and idle speed settings are not providing enough air, or the air that is
being "asked for" is not coming in. That cam is not very big and it
should take only a little idle airflow tweaking to idle right.
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Does everyone else also tune their cars to run at 10:1 at cold idle?
Old 12-06-2007, 01:58 AM
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Thanx a lot. That's what I was thinking, but I'm new to this "cam game" so wasn't sure. I tuned my Silvia to 13:1 when cold and it was fine.
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I've got my HPTuner so I can get the bin, could anyone take a glance and say why it stalls until it warms up?
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My wideband is showing AFR of 16:1 when I do a cold start and then after a minute it goes in to closed loop and sits at 14.7.
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Originally Posted by Gh0st
My wideband is showing AFR of 16:1 when I do a cold start and then after a minute it goes in to closed loop and sits at 14.7.
Mine does the same, even 17:1 on cold start then after a couple min dead nuts stoich.
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Did a scan, injectors show ~5ms while cold, AFR about 10:1
Then when it warms up, injectors drop to 2.5ms, car goes in closed loop, idles nicely
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Well damn I gotta figure out how to change my AF on cold starts because the thing bounces from 16-17 and is pretty rough.
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Originally Posted by Gh0st
My wideband is showing AFR of 16:1 when I do a cold start and then after a minute it goes in to closed loop and sits at 14.7.
the sensor warm up w/ key on/engine off, for a bit. This helps w/ sensor life, as it's not being blasted w/ rich gas mix, and is still cold.



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