Window motor myths & truths - Page 3 - LS1TECH



Pontiac Firebird 1967-2002 Birds of a feather flock together

Window motor myths & truths

Reply
 
Thread Tools Search this Thread
Old 03-16-2016, 08:21 AM   #41
Registered User
 
Join Date: Mar 2016
Location: Virginia
Posts: 1
Default

<non-sponsor link deleted>

this is a link for the one I am about to order for my 95 formula firebird. It is the Dorman. fingers crossed.

Last edited by wssix99; 08-09-2016 at 07:19 AM. Reason: non-sponsor link
The_Rooster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 05-24-2016, 01:30 AM   #42
11 Second Club
iTrader: (4)
 
ElkySS's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2007
Location: Houston Tx
Posts: 1,897
Default

Checked all the ones on rockauto and autozone.com and 5 pages in on amazon and ebay. Could not find the new design
ElkySS is online now   Reply With Quote
Old 08-08-2016, 06:50 PM   #43
Teching In
 
Join Date: Nov 2008
Location: Flordia
Posts: 11
Default

Amazon is Advertising Dorman 741-886 Front Driver Side Replacement Power Window Regulator as being and updated Regulator and Motor.

Anyone know is this is true and if they went back to the new Motor?

<non-sponsor link deleted>

Last edited by wssix99; 08-09-2016 at 07:18 AM. Reason: non-sponsor link
MikadoWu is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 10-01-2016, 02:43 PM   #44
TECH Resident
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 824
Default

Im just dead curious, is it at all possible to retrofit a newer style window motor onto our regulator and if so, would it really help? Maybe from a 2010 Camaro or a newer car in general? I know the doors and regulators are probably way different but it is just a machine afterall, surely some form of adapter could be designed?
Need4Camaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2017, 01:39 PM   #45
TECH Resident
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 824
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by MikadoWu View Post
Amazon is Advertising Dorman 741-886 Front Driver Side Replacement Power Window Regulator as being and updated Regulator and Motor.

Anyone know is this is true and if they went back to the new Motor?

<non-sponsor link deleted>
Unfortunately I believe the new Dorman motor that everyone raved about was short lived and is no longer in production and that Dorman went back to the faulty design to save production costs...so essentially...you'll be purchasing the same factory standard FBody motor.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Need4Camaro View Post
Im just dead curious, is it at all possible to retrofit a newer style window motor onto our regulator and if so, would it really help? Maybe from a 2010 Camaro or a newer car in general? I know the doors and regulators are probably way different but it is just a machine afterall, surely some form of adapter could be designed?
Quoting myself here. As it turns out, it IS possible!

With the help of another board member and his inspiration we found an adapter plate can be fabricated and used on Gen 4 Corvette Window Motors to adapt them to F-Body window regulators. The vette motors are about 30 - 40% faster than the F-Body window motors. They don't fall prone to the thermal resistor wear as the F-Body motors do as well. With the help of the adapter, they can be bolted on and off a F-Body regulator just as easily as a stock F-Body motor using the Shoebox method with absolutely no change in how to install or remove them.

The only slight thing with the motors as that the gear on the motor itself is not as long as the F-Body's motor gear...meaning... if the half moon gear on the regulator is bent, mis aligned, or in any other position than factory 100% perfect condition, there's a chance that the motor's gear and half moon gear will not mate.. I had this problem on the drivers side and chased it down until I removed my regulator and compared it to a new one. When I did I found mine was slightly belt..not visable enough to the naked eye but enough to push the half moon gear too far from the motor to properly mesh.

Here are some photos... stock motor and regulator on the right, corvette motor and stock regulator on the left.. then a video to confirm it does work...













--------
VIDEOS
Note this is working on the driver side even after removing and reinstalling a brand new AC DELCO regulator. Im not sure how the Dorman or aftermarket brands will hold up.

PASSENGER SIDE:

DRIVERS SIDE:
Need4Camaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2017, 08:59 PM   #46
Save the manuals!
iTrader: (5)
 
wssix99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 9,662
Default

Very intriguing!

Quote:
Originally Posted by Need4Camaro View Post
With the help of the adapter, they can be bolted on and off a F-Body regulator just as easily as a stock F-Body motor using the Shoebox method with absolutely no change in how to install or remove them.
What did you have to do for the electrical. Do we have a miracle/do they use the same electrical connector or did you have to splice a new pigtail onto the car?
wssix99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-15-2017, 11:33 PM   #47
TECH Resident
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 824
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by wssix99 View Post
Very intriguing!



What did you have to do for the electrical. Do we have a miracle/do they use the same electrical connector or did you have to splice a new pigtail onto the car?
They use the exact same connector, however; the connector sits deeper in the motor than it does on the stock F-Body motor.

On the stock F-Body motor the connector is right at the end of the motor at the very top. On the Gen 4 Corvette motor it sits deeper into the motor where the arm of the motor meets the hub of the motor... problem isnt the connector as much as the wirelength... It won't reach normally, however; there is slack in the window motor wiring inside the wireloom.. you have to undress the loom and pull the slack out and then it will reach.
Need4Camaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2017, 01:21 AM   #48
Save the manuals!
iTrader: (5)
 
wssix99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 9,662
Default

Even more interesting...
wssix99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2017, 04:08 PM   #49
Lup
Teching In
 
Join Date: Jan 2013
Location: Ohio
Posts: 43
Default

Lup is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 02-16-2017, 04:27 PM   #50
TECH Resident
iTrader: (1)
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 824
Default

Awesome! Thanks for showing them how the mounting plate is to be fabricated and what model motors specifically to obtain.

I actually have a question though. You mentioned that the motor you used has the gear molded into the motor. Are the other window motor options with removable gears? If so, would it then be possible to swap the gears from the F-Body motors to the Corvette motors to make them alittle more forgiving to damaged regulators?
Need4Camaro is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2017, 09:10 AM   #51
Launching!
iTrader: (2)
 
bleepster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Mid-Michigan
Posts: 298
Default

i am replacing my window motor and regulator

is this the proper rivet/screw kit? I plan on purchasing the proper rivet gun as well.
rivets:
Amazon Amazon

rivet gun
Amazon Amazon

thanks
bleepster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-24-2017, 06:35 PM   #52
Save the manuals!
iTrader: (5)
 
wssix99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 9,662
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bleepster View Post
i am replacing my window motor and regulator

is this the proper rivet/screw kit? I plan on purchasing the proper rivet gun as well.
rivets:
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B00AWNVKTK...=IC15172YKH8LD

rivet gun
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B0049E4VJO...I2XMDEE3Z11ZQX

thanks
Rivet Gun - yes. Rivets - no. You need to go to the dealer for the proper rivets, which won't tear up your door.
wssix99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2017, 09:56 AM   #53
Launching!
iTrader: (2)
 
bleepster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Mid-Michigan
Posts: 298
Default

^^ thanks wssix99
bleepster is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-27-2017, 10:30 PM   #54
Save the manuals!
iTrader: (5)
 
wssix99's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2007
Location: Chicago, IL
Posts: 9,662
Default

Quote:
Originally Posted by bleepster View Post
^^ thanks wssix99
There are other threads on the rivets, but the ones from the dealer are (of course) the proper size and are an uncommon type with a steel mandrel and an aluminum jacket. (Usually the two parts come in the same material.)
wssix99 is offline   Reply With Quote
Old 03-28-2017, 06:56 AM   #55
Launching!
iTrader: (2)
 
bleepster's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2014
Location: Mid-Michigan
Posts: 298
Default

Yeah - i was aware of the special type rivet. the picture on Amazon wasn't a very good one. thanks for the heads up.
bleepster is offline   Reply With Quote
Reply

Related Topics
Thread Thread Starter Forum Replies Last Post
My Electric-Life Window experiment is over... wssix99 General Maintenance & Repairs 4 02-06-2017 06:21 PM
Aluminum Window Motor Braces & Window motor retrofit questions. Need4Camaro General Maintenance & Repairs 7 10-31-2016 01:00 PM
Autotrix wiring question VxCarnagexV Pontiac Firebird 1967-2002 5 07-18-2016 08:29 PM
Another window thread HappySalesman Stereo & Electronics 1 07-21-2015 01:30 PM
The solution to perfect turn signals on a Trans Am! (Video/pics) HotWhipT/A Appearance & Detailing 26 08-06-2012 11:07 PM


Thread Tools Search this Thread
Search this Thread:

Advanced Search

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



All times are GMT -5. The time now is 02:59 AM.


 
  • Ask a Question
    Get answers from community experts
What's your question?
Send