My girlfriend's 2002 Collector Edition
10-15-2017, 08:05 AM
#21
I would chase down the P0133 first. (Double check your new O2 sensors are the right part, also.) The P0133 should be an acute thing and the conditions around it can lead to the other codes. (The other codes can be caused by a long list of other issues, as well - they are more generic, so do them last.)
10-15-2017, 03:02 PM
#23
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I ordered my '02 WS6 brand new way back in the summer of 2001. I've never had a driver's side window problem until about a month ago. I started having trouble getting the window up. Just like the common passenger side problem.
I read all about the new, improved design window motors that were made for about a year. Now, they're not made any more and the replacements are back to the old design. Sooooooo, I decided to check eBay. I scored a pair of the new, improved design from two different sellers. You might want to check eBay to see if you can find the improved motors. Look very carefully at the pictures to be sure that you're getting the improved motors and not the ones that you can pick up at any Advanced Auto Parts or Autozone. Good luck.
I read all about the new, improved design window motors that were made for about a year. Now, they're not made any more and the replacements are back to the old design. Sooooooo, I decided to check eBay. I scored a pair of the new, improved design from two different sellers. You might want to check eBay to see if you can find the improved motors. Look very carefully at the pictures to be sure that you're getting the improved motors and not the ones that you can pick up at any Advanced Auto Parts or Autozone. Good luck.
I would chase down the P0133 first. (Double check your new O2 sensors are the right part, also.) The P0133 should be an acute thing and the conditions around it can lead to the other codes. (The other codes can be caused by a long list of other issues, as well - they are more generic, so do them last.)
10-15-2017, 07:52 PM
#24
Alright, so the sensors we bought were the Denso 234-4025 which should be compatible as downstream sensors and upstream. From what I have read the common fix for this issue is to put downstream sensors in the upstreams if you have longtubes because they have better heaters. So, do you have any takes on that?
10-15-2017, 11:19 PM
#25
On The Tree
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10-16-2017, 06:42 AM
#26
^ I wouldn't assume you have sensor issues off the bat, here, particularly since you had an earlier problem with melted wires. (I'd look for more wiring issues first.)
BTW - As you get into this non-Ford car, beware that a single nameplate won't work for all parts/sensors. In some cases, a GM part MAY NOT be the same thing as an AC Delco part. (It might be, though.) GM/AC Delco also does not always mean the highest quality part. (This site can help you sort through those things; the latest with the door window motors is a great example.)
10-16-2017, 02:45 PM
#27
On The Tree
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I use Delco sensors in that application because back in the day, (Over 10 years ago.) there were problems with Densos and others. I understand that those issues may have been resolved, since.
^ I wouldn't assume you have sensor issues off the bat, here, particularly since you had an earlier problem with melted wires. (I'd look for more wiring issues first.)
BTW - As you get into this non-Ford car, beware that a single nameplate won't work for all parts/sensors. In some cases, a GM part MAY NOT be the same thing as an AC Delco part. (It might be, though.) GM/AC Delco also does not always mean the highest quality part. (This site can help you sort through those things; the latest with the door window motors is a great example.)
^ I wouldn't assume you have sensor issues off the bat, here, particularly since you had an earlier problem with melted wires. (I'd look for more wiring issues first.)
BTW - As you get into this non-Ford car, beware that a single nameplate won't work for all parts/sensors. In some cases, a GM part MAY NOT be the same thing as an AC Delco part. (It might be, though.) GM/AC Delco also does not always mean the highest quality part. (This site can help you sort through those things; the latest with the door window motors is a great example.)
That is a bit frustrating, with Ford you are pretty much safe going with Motorcraft everything, especially when it comes to sensors, etc. But, as you mentioned, there are plenty who have tread that ground before me!
What I have seen several suggest is to shut off the P0133 code entirely. I don't know how much I like that though. We will probably be getting it dyno tuned soon just to be on the safe side.
10-16-2017, 10:11 PM
#28
If you haven't had a tune before, this is all a symptom of a mechanical or electrical problem, which should be fixed. (Tuning it out, will just mask a problem.) If the car has been tuned (and made non-stock) before, then that's a different situation.
10-19-2017, 01:02 AM
#30
On The Tree
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I recall that GM had to spin off their parts business interests in an effort to stave off bankruptcy. (Which eventually, didn't work...) They went independent and things scattered. I recall Ford didn't have these issues.
If you haven't had a tune before, this is all a symptom of a mechanical or electrical problem, which should be fixed. (Tuning it out, will just mask a problem.) If the car has been tuned (and made non-stock) before, then that's a different situation.
If you haven't had a tune before, this is all a symptom of a mechanical or electrical problem, which should be fixed. (Tuning it out, will just mask a problem.) If the car has been tuned (and made non-stock) before, then that's a different situation.
On the note of tuning, it has definitely had some sort of programming done, since it does not throw codes for not having rear O2 sensors. If we measured AFR and I knew it wasn't actually leaning out I would feel much better about driving it, but right now I am a bit nervous. I really don't want to mess it up.
I wish I knew. I am likely just as green on the topic as you are.
10-19-2017, 06:49 AM
#31
All convertibles (regardless of other packages) came with the low spoiler because the trunk is different on convertible cars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontia...ebird_Trans_Am
10-19-2017, 10:52 PM
#33
On The Tree
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All convertibles (regardless of other packages) came with the low spoiler because the trunk is different on convertible cars. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pontia...ebird_Trans_Am
Yes I did a smoke test on it and did not see any leaks anywhere. A friend suggested that because it sat the injectors may be clogged up and not spraying. So we will probably try to burn through some more gas and run an injector cleaner. I did put seafoam in the gas already. If that doesn't help I will probably pull the injectors and clean them on a bench.
Also, window motor came in! We might try to do that this weekend (though I work at night so we may not get around to it, we'll see)
10-29-2017, 06:54 PM
#34
10 Second Club
Good find, good looking ride dude.
11-02-2017, 12:26 AM
#35
On The Tree
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11-12-2017, 07:17 PM
#36
11-14-2017, 07:16 AM
#37
On The Tree
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I sort of feel the same way. Ordered a set of MSD coils last night after much deliberation. Some people will argue that they are no good and I need AC Delco. But, it's worth a shot. Hopefully this will put a nail in the low rpm misfire. I bet the Dorman coils that are on it are failing.
11-14-2017, 01:39 PM
#40
TECH Addict
Check the resistance on the MSD wires,, I've had too many sets of them crap out right out of the box, I use Taylor/Vertex 8MM or 10MM and have never gotten a bad set and they are about 1/3 the price.. YMMV.. I'd lean towards fuel not spark as the problem since its lean.
Also, check the fuel filter, if the car sat there can be a lot of crud in the tank and lines from condensation and old fuel. I typically drain the tank on a used car and fill it with ethanol free and a can of seafoam. Also check the part number on your injectors, I've bought 2 cars that had the wrong injectors because the PO fancied himself a "tuner"and the fuel numbers were just way out of wack..
Also, check the fuel filter, if the car sat there can be a lot of crud in the tank and lines from condensation and old fuel. I typically drain the tank on a used car and fill it with ethanol free and a can of seafoam. Also check the part number on your injectors, I've bought 2 cars that had the wrong injectors because the PO fancied himself a "tuner"and the fuel numbers were just way out of wack..