JoSeY

Has the 1st and most in depth article featuring the American GTO...very good stuff, very interesting. I know I want the 100mm throttle body right now! :-)

T-maxx

And better rubber.

RAMMAIR

I love this car!

WS6 RULES

Well lets see. It says it does 14 sec in the 1/4. Takes nearly 200 feet to stop from 70mph. Says it looks like a phone company fleet car. You get all that for what was it, $34,000. No thanks. I'll keep my bird, that way I can smoke GTO's.

frcefed98

iTrader: (16)

WhAA 14's? What magazines are you reading? From every mag I have that has done a road test on the G.T.O say 13.6-13.8s@104+mph. Also the brakes are stopping it way shorter than that. 60-0 took 120ft says motor trend. Road and Track and Motor Trend are the two mags that I got these numbers from. This is the same LS1 that is in your WS6 so we all know the potential of our engines no matter what the car that is being powered by it is. These Goats have more room for screw type blowers, turbo set ups and centrifugal set ups than our f-bodies so look for the FI market to take to them quickly. If you have a fully loaded WS6 you are really close if not there weight wise to a G.T.O(3725lbs) not 3300lbs and you have less power 320hp/335tq to 350hp/365tq G.T.O.
So if you are not modded, you have a borla right, you will probably nose em out at the line, but I said probably.
So think twice if you throw revs at one.
J

tmgxray

the rating of 320/335, means nothing! I have a 2001 ws6 and it dynoed at 310/328 at the wheels. So I would say that gm has finally stopped underrating them.

Iv_z28

The rating in C&D is 350hp and 365ftlb, LS1 engine. The car weights 3800+ lb, or 400lb MORE than my Z28, so you get the picture. 14.0 1/4mile according to C&D and IMO that sounds very realistic, as it should be 0.2-0.4 sec slower than the f-body.

I guess they will manage to sell those 18000/year for 3 years to some hardcore fans, but that definitely won't be me. For that money I'll take Infinity G35 coupe, thank you.

DANSLS1GTO

That's 14.0 with traction control on, fairly poor tires from all accounts and no tuning.

cvp33

C&D quotes the G35 @ 14.2 secs in the 1/4 and 0-60 in 5.9. MSRP is $35,395. So it's $2,000 more, 6 tenths slower in the quarter and 0-60? I know I made the right choice.

2004 Pontiac GTO

Iv_z28

How come 14.2-14.0 (both from the same source - C&D) = 0.6? Did you study math at all? And G35 coupe base MSRP is $29,795 - $32,995, below quoted $34000 for the GTO. Sure both will go up as you add options and both will go faster if you add mods.

DANSLS1GTO

The actual price for the GTO is $33,190 for the M6 and $33,495 for the A4 - with all options.

The G35 is 32,450 for an M6 (which is a 6 cylinder - so only so much modding you can do) plus 900 for the performance package and 900 for the premium stereo - so $34,250. The auto would be 32,450 because it looks like the premium stereo comes standard in the auto and not the stick - from the infiniti website anyway (could be 33,350 though). You can add options from there - but that's apples to apples with options

cvp33

Why would anyone 'mod' a G35? Isn't it already fast enough? I guess not. The GTO is for car enthusiasts. And will quickly 'mod' into the 12's. The G35 is for guys who like pretty cars, like to be seen in pretty cars and can settle for 14 sec 1/4's. I'll ask again, why mod a V6 wanna-be when you can have the real thing. The GTO. Think people!

cvp33

Iv(drug-user)z28,

I apologize. You are completely right. Whenever quoting performance data for a given vehicle you should use the same magazine to eliminate testing differences.

MOTOR TREND

G35 $32,995 vs. GTO $32,495 Advantage GTO
G35 V6 vs. GTO V8 Advantage GTO
G35 280 HP vs. GTO 350 HP Advantage GTO
G35 0-60 = 5.8 vs. GTO 5.3 Advantage GTO
G35 1/4 Mile time = 14.2 vs. GTO 13.62 Advantage GTO
G35 1/4 speed = 99.4 mph vs. GTO 104.78 mph Advantage GTO

Well certainly there's a plus to owning that pretty little V6. Maybe the highway mileage is better. Oops, G35 27 mpg vs. GTO 29 mpg. Not to mention that your rear seat passengers will surrender almost 6 inches of leg room vs. the GTO. How 'bout the trunk. Maybe it's bigger. Oops again, G35 7.8 cu.ft. vs. GTO 9.0 cu.ft.

My advice to you Ivy is to go buy your cute little G35 and have fun reading my license plate: URG35SX
It's so much fun when you know what you're talking about. You really should try it some time.



I'd expect this crap on the Honda or Subaru site but not here. I'm through defending the GTO to uninformed idiots that don't know jack $hit.

Iv_z28

So, now you calling me a ?? LOL

I believe the only here is you. I used your own data two posts above. Now you try to juggle with data, switch to different magazines, etc.. Something must be wrong with your memory:

Here is YOUR own quote
You picked up C&D

C&D # for GTO, also mentioned above, is 14.0. I just did the math for you.


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Personally I don't see how 3800+lb car will run about the same as my z28 stock, even with the dual exhaust. 14.0 sounds very realistic to me, but you may believe what you want.
I also don't see how it will handle like G35 or Camaro having 400lb disadvantage, IRS is nice, but it's not everything. I won't discuss interior, reliability and quality issues. I guess I could be picky and continue to say other things - f.e. - the mileage is 29 vs 27 mpg? Ok. For the manual. However the majority will pick up automatic - and here we have 21mpg (highway) for the GTO vs. 26mpg for the G35. ..the automatic GTO will even be a subject to $1000 gas guzzler tax, per GM...
...I doubt M6 GTO will see 29mpg in a first place, given it's weight (better than my z28? um.. ok... all I know is that my M6 has 28mpg rating and stock returned 26mpg max, while my Nissan Altima had 30mpg rating and I clocked it myself at 33mpg, both on long 85mph trips).. But that's off-topic and is my personal opinion.

Like I said, I can easily see how GM will find 18000 customers for the next 3 years, GTO will fill out the niche nicely. Furthermore, I applaud GM efforts, 'cause they extend LS1 engine life, possibly bring us cheap dual exhaust and reduce overall costs of modding. However performance wise it won't touch camaro while I'm anxious to see new LS2/LS7 engines, and for a grossery getter/my wifes' car I'll get G35, thank you.

Iv_z28

...GTO is about 3-5 years late, it's already showing it's age.

DANSLS1GTO

Of course you won't - because every source says that's the key strong points of the Monaro / GTO platform, so it benefits your side of the discussion to ignore these.

Let's quote another magazine here - Automobile

"The tactile quality of the interior, long an area of GM cluelessness, is great. the lower part of the doors and the dash are swaddled in Alcantara in the color of your choice (red, black, blue, or purple). Stalks and vents feel crafted rather than spit out. There are color-keyed, highly legible gauges, polished doorsills, grippy rubber and aluminum pedals underfoot, and color-keyed stitching on the steering wheel and the shifter. It feels like more than $33,000 worth of car"

And as for the weight / performance difference - you can't fit 2 people comfortably in an f-body IMHO, let alone 4.

Iv_z28

The comparison was made to G35. From what I've seen no pontiac in a last few years came close to infinity in quality/reliability/interior. It's not the strong selling point of the pontiac brand, that's why I didn't want to bring it up. And while your article quote talks about positives, that above mentioned C&D article partially supports what is known about pontiac brand in general, citing certain quality issues. Also I didn't see the car, and magazine talk about feel and touch sounds very subjective to me. When I see it in person I may change my mind, but untill that time I won't count those things as the strong selling points, sorry.
I do expect the interior quality to be much better than my z28, after all the car is 10k more expensive.

Like I said, my main concern about the GTO is that it's few years late and few hundred lb overweight.

JoSeY

Just read my Road and Track 13.8 @ 103.8 mph on their shitty *** stock tires. Free mods, 2 cutouts since it's a true dual, and at least DR's and I'm sure you have a 13.0 second car on ur hands just like the current Fbodies.

With cams out for this motor, and headers that just need a lil tweaking, I'm sure you'll have a 10 second GTO pretty damn quick. Plus, the Dana built rear end gives me hope that they'll outlast the puny 7.5" rears we got in the fbody's....I'd trade my Formula for one of these any day...room easy for turbo's on both sides.....

DANSLS1GTO

All I can say is that I hope the rest of the mags (and the testimonials from the aussies) are correct and that the C&D issues are because they had a beater pre-production car. I'll be jumping off the bandwagon if I have that kind of issues with my car. As far as the weight vs. performance issue - my car is to be a comfortable driver first and a performance car second - so it doesn't bother me. I'm sure that you could drop that 4-500 bls real easily if you were so inclined. AC, 10 speaker stereo, power seats, power windows, cats, CAGS solenoid, etc, etc, etc...

cvp33

G35's aren't even in the same league as these cars. The magazines tested the G35 and said the interior looked cheap for a car in it's price range. The results speak for themselves.

G35 $32,995 vs. GTO $32,495 Advantage GTO
G35 V6 vs. GTO V8 Advantage GTO
G35 280 HP vs. GTO 350 HP Advantage GTO
G35 0-60 = 5.8 vs. GTO 5.3 Advantage GTO
G35 1/4 Mile time = 14.2 vs. GTO 13.62 Advantage GTO
G35 1/4 speed = 99.4 mph vs. GTO 104.78 mph Advantage GTO
G35 Highway mileage = 27 mpg vs. GTO 29 mpg Advantage GTO
G35 Rear leg room = 31.4" vs. GTO 37.1" Advantage GTO
G35 Trunk = 7.8 cu.ft. vs. GTO 9.0 cu.ft. Advantage GTO

And as far as the f-body goes. Been there done that. 1997 Z28 Anniversary Edition, white with oranges stripes, Hounds Tooth interior, T-Tops and all options. Upgrades: MAF, injectors, SLP CAI, headers, aluminum driveshaft, edit, 4.10's.

I'm just tired of the Z's poor build quality. Tired of solid rear axle rattling my fillings. Also that walks pinion up the ring costing me $750! Tired of leaking T-Tops. Tired of sub-par quality leather. Ready for a real sports coupe. Ready for the GTO.

BTW Ivy. When you finally decide you want one. It'll be too late. Justice, sweet justice.