darton sleeved ls2 block for FI and high power
Both the cars in my sig run the ERL blocks. This was the second season running the LS1 version. Neither blocks have shown any signs of trouble. The changes ERL is now making to them will make them even better and will allow us to make more power by keeping the heads down. '08 is gona be a good year.
For what it's worth...I just won a LSX block and sold it...
With 1000rwhp you’re going to be pushing the limits of a LS2 block. Any slight detonation and you’re going to be picking up parts off your block off the ground.
Happened to a buddy of mine with a 402ci & TTiX kit pushing 900rwhp. And you want to talk about boring it out even more than the stock bore? It won't be a matter of if, but when.
If you want reliability at that power level, go with the iron LSX or Warhawk, and even then, there's still no guarantee.
Happened to a buddy of mine with a 402ci & TTiX kit pushing 900rwhp. And you want to talk about boring it out even more than the stock bore? It won't be a matter of if, but when.
If you want reliability at that power level, go with the iron LSX or Warhawk, and even then, there's still no guarantee.
Where are you getting this 20% number?
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1,000 RWHP in a resleeved LSx is a ticking time bomb, period. If anyone thinks any different, they're a MORON.
A GM LSX iron block is a different story.
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Its hilarious how there's one example of an engine staying together, so this means everyone should go out and build a MONSTER and it's gonna be bullet proof
1,000 RWHP in a resleeved LSx is a ticking time bomb, period. If anyone thinks any different, they're a MORON.
A GM LSX iron block is a different story.
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1,000 RWHP in a resleeved LSx is a ticking time bomb, period. If anyone thinks any different, they're a MORON.
A GM LSX iron block is a different story.
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-Mike Brown runs a resleeved block. He's also running in the high 7s.
-Both of the old Hardcore Racing cars were running C5R blocks. The blue car ran mid to high 7s. The black car ran mid to low 8s.
- Look at all of the twin turbo cars lingenfelter puts out: http://www.lingenfelter.com/Lingenfe...06ZO6TTBGB.htm
- Need any more examples or all these people morons too?
Its hilarious how there's one example of an engine staying together, so this means everyone should go out and build a MONSTER and it's gonna be bullet proof
1,000 RWHP in a resleeved LSx is a ticking time bomb, period. If anyone thinks any different, they're a MORON.
A GM LSX iron block is a different story.
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1,000 RWHP in a resleeved LSx is a ticking time bomb, period. If anyone thinks any different, they're a MORON.
A GM LSX iron block is a different story.
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Tell you what, Come to Bradenton in January and watch us MORONS run. Then come to Orlando in October and see how our "time bomb" is still doing. If all is well and were still running faster than you... Come back on here and tell everybody who the real MORON is. Deal?
Its hilarious how there's one example of an engine staying together, so this means everyone should go out and build a MONSTER and it's gonna be bullet proof
1,000 RWHP in a resleeved LSx is a ticking time bomb, period. If anyone thinks any different, they're a MORON.
A GM LSX iron block is a different story.
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1,000 RWHP in a resleeved LSx is a ticking time bomb, period. If anyone thinks any different, they're a MORON.
A GM LSX iron block is a different story.
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It's hard to argue with success. I agree that Mike and Steve know what they're doing and put good tune-ups on the cars, W2W builds great engines and that detonation will destroy ANY engine regardless of who makes/builds it. Ductile iron sleeves are able to withstand the shock of detonation far better than std. grey iron that cracks when over-stressed (not ductile). In years of installing and warrantying ductile iron sleeves we have never had anyone break a sleeve where there are many posts of grey iron sleeves breaking.
The nice thing is that if detonation wipes out a piston is that we can either bore it larger or just replace that sleeve, not the block if it doesn't throw the rod out.
Mikes LS1 block went through a bent crank, stock oil pump failure, spun rods in the yellow car and was inspected, light honed and is the block that he ran this year and went 7.92 on, won the shootout and still going.
The nice thing with Mike and Steve is that the cars don't sit. If there's a race that week they're running.
If I remember correctly you didn't like our 500" engine that SAM built either and that's been since 2005. I'll see if Linda can wave at you as she's driving by. After being the dyno mule, she ran low 10's on pump gas at the shootout her first time out. That's NA, no NOS and too much gear. It handles bouncing off the rev limiter going through the traps too. Not to mention the others running hammer down through the desert, race gas "street" cars, daily drivers ....
It's impossible to say generic that sleeved factory blocks are bad. It's a matter of who does it, builds and tunes it. We've all read threads on here where there are issues with the "Bulletproof" builds that you pointed out.
The nice thing is that if detonation wipes out a piston is that we can either bore it larger or just replace that sleeve, not the block if it doesn't throw the rod out.
Mikes LS1 block went through a bent crank, stock oil pump failure, spun rods in the yellow car and was inspected, light honed and is the block that he ran this year and went 7.92 on, won the shootout and still going.
The nice thing with Mike and Steve is that the cars don't sit. If there's a race that week they're running.
If I remember correctly you didn't like our 500" engine that SAM built either and that's been since 2005. I'll see if Linda can wave at you as she's driving by. After being the dyno mule, she ran low 10's on pump gas at the shootout her first time out. That's NA, no NOS and too much gear. It handles bouncing off the rev limiter going through the traps too. Not to mention the others running hammer down through the desert, race gas "street" cars, daily drivers ....
It's impossible to say generic that sleeved factory blocks are bad. It's a matter of who does it, builds and tunes it. We've all read threads on here where there are issues with the "Bulletproof" builds that you pointed out.
Me and my bud Speedo checked this ERL block out at the Sema show and it's impresive! Shawn, I think it was explained many different things that covered problem areas in a resleaved block. Lots of knowledge and impressive solutions to weak areas in a these blocks, like the welding in of the bridge guirders between each cylinder. I'm still on the fence whether all this is overkill or not?! Traver
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Only pulling it to 7000.
Both the cars in my sig run the ERL blocks. This was the second season running the LS1 version. Neither blocks have shown any signs of trouble. The changes ERL is now making to them will make them even better and will allow us to make more power by keeping the heads down. '08 is gona be a good year.
For what it's worth...I just won a LSX block and sold it...
Both the cars in my sig run the ERL blocks. This was the second season running the LS1 version. Neither blocks have shown any signs of trouble. The changes ERL is now making to them will make them even better and will allow us to make more power by keeping the heads down. '08 is gona be a good year.
For what it's worth...I just won a LSX block and sold it...
Is it a wet sleeve LS1? Just curious...
Wet sleeve leaks The wet liners will not leak if properly installed. Do diesel engines leak? They all use the exact same oring material as Darton uses on their wet liners.
In any event, I have many daily driver MID installations in northern climes running now for years with no problems. One customer drove his car from Michigan to Death Valley where it was near 130 degrees. No overheating issues at all with his MID sleeved 427.
Steve
In any event, I have many daily driver MID installations in northern climes running now for years with no problems. One customer drove his car from Michigan to Death Valley where it was near 130 degrees. No overheating issues at all with his MID sleeved 427.
Steve
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Steve Demirjian
Race Engine Development
Oceanside, Ca.
760-630-0450
web: www.raceenginedevelopment.com/
e-mail: race-engine-development@***.net
The wet liners will not leak if properly installed. Do diesel engines leak? They all use the exact same oring material as Darton uses on their wet liners.
In any event, I have many daily driver MID installations in northern climes running now for years with no problems. One customer drove his car from Michigan to Death Valley where it was near 130 degrees. No overheating issues at all with his MID sleeved 427.
Steve
In any event, I have many daily driver MID installations in northern climes running now for years with no problems. One customer drove his car from Michigan to Death Valley where it was near 130 degrees. No overheating issues at all with his MID sleeved 427.
Steve
