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Old 01-18-2018, 01:45 PM
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Default Build thread for 393" (Title change)

I have the fully forged short block. Looking for H/C/I suggestions/experience.
'Cathedral or Rectangular' (worked by a sponsor), no super high dollar heads, trying to keep semi-budget oriented. (I am currently running ported/milled L92's and stock LS3 intake with a NW92 on a SBE 6.0 and it does pretty good). Just wondering what you guys think would be a better combo for a 398" all out drag set-up, "spinning and spraying the crap out of it".

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If you are on a budget you could consider leaving the heads alone, picking up a FAST 102 intake, and changing your cam to flow more air to use the additional cubes. What compression ratio are you at now and what is your planned compression with your new shortblock?
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Originally Posted by ss.slp.ls1
If you are on a budget you could consider leaving the heads alone, picking up a FAST 102 intake, and changing your cam to flow more air to use the additional cubes. What compression ratio are you at now and what is your planned compression with your new shortblock?
Maybe I should clarify....Motor in car now is a SBE 4.00 bore iron 6.0, ported/.025 milled L92 heads (so about 10.1:1), 231/247 cam, and stock LS3 intake. It runs a 10.01 @ 133 on a 150 shot and "loose" converter. That has been replaced and untested as of this writing (EDIT now 9.91 @ 136).

Goal is to slowly build the 398" on the stand and drop her in when all assembled. Would like to be ~ 11.5:1 compression.

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Oh, I thought you were changing the shortblock and wanted options/opinions on what to change with it. Your engine now has ported L92 heads, if you want to flow more you might have to get the high dollar heads you said you didn't want. The FAST102 intake with a matching TB will be worth some good gains. You can get a custom cam ground for your build. Finally, since your block is now forged, you can up your shot. What headers and exhaust are you using now?
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Cam Motion LLSR, FAST LS3 W/ Mid Length Runners set up for
Direct Port, (plate not so good over 150 W/Fast), have existing
L92s ported.
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Originally Posted by NAVYBLUE210
Cam Motion LLSR, FAST LS3 W/ Mid Length Runners set up for
Direct Port, (plate not so good over 150 W/Fast), have existing
L92s ported.
this guy knows a little about a 39x displacement engine!
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Yeah you can use your existing heads, but mate them with a mid runner fast and Cam it to shift at 7700+
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Originally Posted by big hammer
Yeah you can use your existing heads, but mate them with a mid runner fast and Cam it to shift at 7700+
That's what I'm talkin about!!...Another heated debate but, is the FAST really worth the $$ over the LS3 intake? $1,000 goes a long way in other areas.

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Originally Posted by ragtopz28
That's what I'm talkin about!!...Another heated debate but, is the FAST really worth the $$ over the LS3 intake? $1,000 goes a long way in other areas.
In that application absolutely. The Stock ls3 intake runners are tuned for a lower rpm and doesn’t allow you to utilize the rpm you need to really make hp. Where the fast really has no advantage over a Stock intake is on Stock CI with Stock heads and revving in the 6500-6900 range
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Originally Posted by ragtopz28
That's what I'm talkin about!!...Another heated debate but, is the FAST really worth the $$ over the LS3 intake? $1,000 goes a long way in other areas.
There is no debate! Let alone "heated" LOL
Once you have enough cam to Peak at least
7000 RPM & Shift at least 7500 RPM The
Mid Length Runners are Way Beyound the
Factory Intake because of the much shorter
Runner Length as demonstrated by BigHammer's
388", My 396", and SuperHatch's 376".
I would bet our combos made at Least 35 -50+
HP more than a factory LS3 Intake depending on
The size of our cams. SuperHatch even used L92
Heads I believe. Lots of useful data in each of our builds.
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Thanks guys...I didn't realize where the stock intake limits were.
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Default Stroke Length?

398" is that 4.00" X 3.95"/4.030" X 3.90"?
What is your bore and stroke?

How many RPM & How much spray?
HP & ET/MPH Goals?
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Originally Posted by NAVYBLUE210
398" is that 4.00" X 3.95"/4.030" X 3.90"?
What is your bore and stroke?

How many RPM & How much spray?
HP & ET/MPH Goals?
4.030 x 3.90
Just a slow build until I need to swap into my T/A. No real goals at this point. Maybe 9's on motor. Spin to ~7500. Maybe spray up to 200 through my existing plate. I'm in agreement with the FAST midrunner. Cam selection should probably be last once I have a set goal.
Thanks for all the input so far.
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3.90 stroke will be a boss rocker with ported ls3 heads
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Here are the forged diamond pistons. Flat above valve reliefs and dished below. How do I determine milling heads/cam/compression/and p/v clearance?
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Originally Posted by big hammer
3.90 stroke will be a boss rocker with ported ls3 heads
What is your opinion on the MSD vs FAST with midrunners?
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Originally Posted by ragtopz28
What is your opinion on the MSD vs FAST with midrunners?
They’re similar, but MSD doesn’t make an ls3 intake
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Originally Posted by big hammer
They’re similar, but MSD doesn’t make an ls3 intake
MSD 2703 LS3/L99 Atomic AirForce 103mm Intake Manifold
I just can't find any good test or comparisons.
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Originally Posted by ragtopz28
MSD 2703 LS3/L99 Atomic AirForce 103mm Intake Manifold
I just can't find any good test or comparisons.
They had a part number for it but last second pulled the plug on it. They’re not available
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Considered small bore LS7 heads? That gets you an MSD intake...


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