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Old 07-22-2018, 11:10 AM
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currently have an LS2/T-56 C6 vette cam only set up with 1 3/4 headers, full cat-less Corsa exhaust, trunion upgrade, dual 660 springs, hardened pushrods, 25% under-driven balancer, cold air intake, wires, plugs, and BTR stage 3 cam: 231/242 .617"/.592" 112+2 with a dyno tune. The car made 437 rwhp and 427rwtq. The car drives great and has stock like street manners but I want more out of it. I would like to be between 510 and 530 rwhp.

I’m having my 243 heads CNC ported, valve job, and surface milled, port matching a Fast 102, Nick Williams 102 throttle body, 42lb injectors etc.

I’m looking at going to a Tick Polluter Cam and I'd obviously like to make more power but I’d still like to retain good street manners. I know the drive-ability has a lot to do with the tuner and my tuner is excellent.

I just wanted to see if any others used any of these cams and see if this cam (Tick Polluter) would be a good choice or will it be too big for my stock gears etc? I had also looked at the BTR Stage 4 (235/242 .621"/.592" 111+3) and the LG G5X4 as well.
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Depending on the dyno 510-530 rwhp is going to be extremely unlikely from 243 heads
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Originally Posted by HCI2000SS
Depending on the dyno 510-530 rwhp is going to be extremely unlikely from 243 heads
My buddies Gen 1 CTS-V just made 502 on the same Dyno with a very similar build but he’s using a BTR Stage 3 cam which is what I already have. The Dyno is not overly generous with numbers either. The tuner is one of the main guys a BES.
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Originally Posted by prostreet513


My buddies Gen 1 CTS-V just made 502 on the same Dyno with a very similar build but he’s using a BTR Stage 3 cam which is what I already have. The Dyno is not overly generous with numbers either. The tuner is one of the main guys a BES.
That's cool, it's just extremely rare to see over 500 with those heads
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That's cool, it's just extremely rare to see over 500 with those heads
Understandable. We expected 470s honestly .
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Understandable. We expected 470s honestly .
Yeah that's about what I would expect as well. As a reference, my buddy made 495 rwhp with Mast 215 heads, big cam, and Fast 92 intake. This was on a stock cube LS2 with a manual trans. Before the heads he made 445 rwhp. The only thing he changed was the heads
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I think 500 is doable. I mean you are getting ported heads, bigger cam, fast 102 and maybe some 1 7/8 headers. They should get you 500 or real close to it. Getting more than 500 will require to raise the compression quite a bit.
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I run the Polluter V2 in my Ls1. Details in sig.
Be prepared to spin it.

I love the cam. Above 6000 rpms it absolutely hauls which with a 4400 stall im always above 6200 rpms.
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This thread may have some excellent details of hitting 500whp-520whp with ported 243's

https://ls1tech.com/forums/generatio...m-ls1-6-a.html

500+ whp is doable with top notch ported 243's with a lot of attention to details. Here's an example with a 5.7 LS6

Is easier done with ported Trick flow or other aftermarket heads.




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16.5 degrees of overlap is not going to have too great of drivability.

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You should also consider larger OD pushrods. Hardened pushrods provide no benefit for drive train stability unless you are running pushrod guide plates.
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I'd suggest the BTR stage 3 for a weekend drag car or the BTR stage 2 for a street car. I just saw someone post their dyno numbers for a BTR stage 4 and they were only 8 hp higher than my numbers with a BTR stage 2 cam. We both are running similar heads. They were also running a Fast 102 vs my Dorman 92.
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Mill the heads .03, notch the pistons, BTR stage 4, E85, and spin it to 7300+
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just asking but have have considered ls3 heads? I see them unported making 500rwhp +
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Quality 243's on a 4" bore shouldn't have any trouble making 500whp. There have been a few 416's make 550whp with 243's and a ported 102 intake.
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If you are opening up the heads, and want to maintain street manners, I don't think a bigger cam is the answer. That's just going to move the power band higher, and you will lose on the bottom end.
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Originally Posted by Broken944
If you are opening up the heads, and want to maintain street manners, I don't think a bigger cam is the answer. That's just going to move the power band higher, and you will lose on the bottom end.
^^^^^^^^^^^^^What He Said^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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You don't need a new cam, you need better heads. With a 4" bore I'd take advantage of the much more efficient GM square port heads worked over by a competent machinist.
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i just did heads on my car and want to go to a smaller cam......you dont need as much cam to make power when you now have the ability to move more air with good heads. think about it, why do square and rectangular port heads have such higher duration on the exh than the int? im no expert but that tells me because it can't move air on that side like it can on the intake. so you bandaid that by more duration.

back to this discussion, good 243s won't need a cam to bandaid them, because they can flow. if you wanted to send peak power higher, that would be the only real benefit i see in increasing cam size with good heads.
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Originally Posted by Floorman279
you dont need as much cam to make power when you now have the ability to move more air with good heads.
To build on this a little, its a matter of physics. If you can get more air through the heads, it will take less time to fill the same sized cylinder at the same rpm range. You don't have to hold the valve open as long, meaning smaller camshaft. Hold it open too long and you bleed cylinder pressure.


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