nascarnate326

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IMHO the cars are special, but not THAT special. Everyone and their brother has an LS1 Camaro, and people have taken much better care of them since they were produced. I doubt your gonna find a beat to **** Tom Henry SS or ZL1 Supercar. Even the highest end LT1 cars..were driven hard and beat on.

All of the cars that Berger and GMMG did seem so damn similar to me, loses the effect of being special(the whole point to begin with).

The DEI SS...thats rare, it looks different, and I would love to have it- rather have one of the ~~6 LT1 DEI cars though

TransAmWS.6

I agree, you can still find them but they are not as common as LS1 SS cars, I can't even remember the last time I've seen an LT1 SS on the street. However, for whatever reason, it does seem like when I do come across a decent one, they are usually not that pricey at all.

MasterTomos

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Pshhh. Let's talk really rare.

1969 Corvette ZL1 2 built
1983 Corvette 1 existing
1998 WS6 Formula Convertible 2 built

See what I did there?

I'd still say that the 96-97 Camaro SS's are pretty damn rare compared to most other 4th gens.

Sebring 00

Doubt your gonna find a hard driven TH or ZL1 Supercar?

Go to http:www.gmmgregistry.com and look around.

Berger didn't 'do' any 4th gen cars in house. They were modified by GMMG, returned to the dealership and sold to the public.

Yes, those are rare cars. Kevin Suydam owns the only documented 69 ZL1 Vette which is white in color. The where-abouts of the other one is questionable.

Rare? Arlen Vanke recently sold the only documented 1968 factory built Hemi Barracuda four-speed wth a solid NHRA racing history but I digress. No need to get into a pissing contest about factory anomalies.

This thread began with the question, Are 1996-7 SS Camaros rare and I said no. With over 5000 produced, they are certainly not rare - doesn't matter how many you may or may not see around.

The production numbers don't lie.

41863nj

rare is rare , bruce hawkins owns a '92 firehawk in green of which only 2 were produced...and as far as the '69 ZL1 corvette , heard years ago that a guy named wayne walker in VA. owns the other one..yellow in color...just read all about it in corvette fever magazine...the ''other'' 3rd ZL1 engine was stolen en-route to the factory, at least that is what the book said...i guess a SS LT1 is rare, since so many have been trashed, and in a sense they were only made for two years and finding a really nice, low mileage example would be hard to do...so it's not as rare as MASTER TOMOS found, but still rare, depending on what you compare it to.

1961ba427

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Well said.

MasterTomos

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In the grand scheme of 4th gen's, it's one of the rarest (if not the rarest?) trim...so, yes, it's a rare 4th gen, but no, it's not a '69 Vette ZL1 or a GMMG car.

41863nj

i learn something everyday, never knew that they did indeed build a corvette in '83 ...thanks MASTER TOMOS for that info..in the new HIGH PERFORMANCE PONTIAC MAGAZINE they show a red '72 trans-am with a shifter on the steering wheel column...3spd. auto...they said it was ordered for some higher brash like this...wow.. a red '72, red wasn't offered until '73 and never seen a trans-am with a 3spd auto on the steering wheel column before...i still have to agree with MASTER TOMOS on the rarity of the ZL1 'vette & the '69 ZL1 camaro in which only 69 were built and they were the ultimate sleeper as they looked plain and 6 cylinder-ish...

MasterTomos

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Im not trying to say the the 96-97 SS's compare to any single or double digit production cars, but in the world of 4th gen's and even just as a Camaro SS (just a model/trim aspect-not specific options), you'd be foolish to say they weren't rare.

They're about as rare as a 4th gen model gets aside from WS6 formula's

41863nj

MASTERTOMOS...now that was well said...rarity is how one percieves something...you're personnel conception of what you believe is rare...how about the GRAND NATIONALS...those with the intercooler were only made in '86 & '87...and the GNX...those have to be rare in some way, as was the '89 turbo trans-am...there are a lot of rarity's out there, just some more so then others....i still believe though that time itself will help with the rarity of LT1 SS...not to mention the LT4's in the SS and wasn't there a few LT4's put in the trans-am 's ??????

MasterTomos

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It just all boils down to what you're comparing said car to, in this case, I was comparing it to 4th gen trims and thats it.

Tere were 29 LT4 Firehawks built in '97, but I believe only 27 were sold to the public. 100 LT4 Camaro SS's were made and sold. Those are both very rare cars.

CAMJAG

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It is rare but not super rare. When I see an LS1 SS go by, not to much of a big deal. When I see an LT1 SS go by, I do a double take. LT1 SS gets more attention for the fact there are much fewer than LS1 SS. If I owned both, I would drive the LT1 far less.

bc28036

Sebring00

You gotta give us early 4th gen guys some props these cars aren't exactly common.

Try this on for size if you don't believe me......it is sitting in my garage as we speak.....

97 SS 30th anniversary...pretty rare....3100-something made

Last year of SLP conversions...cool and rare

6 speed not auto...getting rarer since there was a strike with the trans supplier


To top it off 1 of 100 Hendricks Racing Editions..# 63 if i remember correctly

.....i have only seen one other one besides mine and i live in charlotte........it maybe in the junk yard for all i know....haven't seen it in years

Does that make it ultra expensive for collector values.....nope
But ss lt1 4th gens are hard to find

jim simon

To find a LT1 SS with low miles is not easy but there are a few out there. There is a 1996 Teal convertible SS for sale on E-Bay right now with less than 3.500 miles on it and it's a 6 speed. I like the looks of the LT1 SS and while there production numbers might not be low finding one in good shape can be hard to do. If there is a market for them then the prices will go up as the years go by.

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Brangeta

I never finished this page of my site (and don't know when I'll have the time to finish it) but I have many production numbers for '96 and '97 SSes on here.
http://sites.google.com/site/branget...camaros/9697ss

Prorac1

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I think the biggest deciding point between whats rare and whats not, is to ask what the differance between rare, and valuable is. In the end it all comes down to prospective as someone said earlier. JMHO. Eric L

brendo389

That the one for sale in Ohio? It's been all over craigslist out here for months, not moving at all, but for a T56 convertible SS it's definitely a good buy, even at 15k

1965GP

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I did not realize rare LT-1's had gotten to this point but I am glad to see it ( I have a 94 25th, 95 6spd hardtop hawk, 97 formula WS6 vert) but rate is a very relative term. 89 TTA's are rare to see on the road but if you have 18k you could easily own one any day of the week on eBay.

A nice LT SS car is harder to actually find and it could be argued it is just as rare.

Brangeta

If you look at the link I posted to my website, the total production of '96 and '97 SSes adds up to only around 5217 cars total. (The production records are a pain in the butt and it's hard to say which should be believed. I don't want to get in a debate about it right now because it's been about 8 or 9 months since I've looked at them.)

When you stop to consider just how low that production number is, you start to realize "hey... these are really rare!" Just for comparison's sake for those who don't have a point of reference for production numbers... In 2002 alone, there were over 10,000 Camaros painted bright rally red. That number is nearly twice the amount of SSes made in ANY color from '96-'97.

The SSes from '96-'97 will probably one day be some of the most collectible 4th gen Camaros. There were only 77 or 78 '96 SSes in Bright Teal Metallic, and when you compare that to what was supposed to be a limited edition like the 2002 35th Anniversary Edition... well... it's obvious which one is rarer. You'd be lucky to see a Bright Teal SS in your life at this point, and they are incredibly beautiful.

02_Phase2_ZL1

Well...............after reading through this thread................I'm glad I have one of eech. My 1997 30th Anniversary LT1 SLP convertible has 17,777 miles on it (as of today) and my 2002 Phase II ZL1 GMMG Supercar has 1,985 miles on it (as of today also).