2 jl 13.5 w7??
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2 jl 13.5 w7?? Can you fit two JL 13.5 inch W7 subs in the back hatch area in a 2000 camaro i know it will have to be a custom box but i just want to know if you guys think there would be enough room room to make a big enough box?
04-29-2012, 10:43 PM
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depends, ported or sealed, sealed maybe but the height you need to get a wide enough top to mount you'll probably get to close to the hatch to allow there movement. ported, ah hell no, you'll get a LOT more bass if you can sacrifice your backseat to being a box with the face of the subs angled at the back glass. And if you dropping the money for 2 of them then you clearly want as much bass as you can get.
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04-30-2012, 07:47 AM
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There is room.. check out this old vid of some w6's I had.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO4plyMWNqQ
If I remember correctly that was 1.8cubes sealed per sub. If you need more room you can see there is still more space to go taller and that box didnt go quite down to the bottom of the well area, so more space there too.
A good 10" sub in a stealth box is absolutely nothing compared to two 13.5 w7's, and unless ur a basshead you wouldn't understand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO4plyMWNqQ
If I remember correctly that was 1.8cubes sealed per sub. If you need more room you can see there is still more space to go taller and that box didnt go quite down to the bottom of the well area, so more space there too.
A good 10" sub in a stealth box is absolutely nothing compared to two 13.5 w7's, and unless ur a basshead you wouldn't understand.
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depends, ported or sealed, sealed maybe but the height you need to get a wide enough top to mount you'll probably get to close to the hatch to allow there movement. ported, ah hell no, you'll get a LOT more bass if you can sacrifice your backseat to being a box with the face of the subs angled at the back glass. And if you dropping the money for 2 of them then you clearly want as much bass as you can get.
I would really like to keep my back seat so I will most defiantly go sealed they are in a sealed box right and sound great but it will not fit in the hatch area so I'll deffiantly have a new box built
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There is room.. check out this old vid of some w6's I had.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO4plyMWNqQ
If I remember correctly that was 1.8cubes sealed per sub. If you need more room you can see there is still more space to go taller and that box didnt go quite down to the bottom of the well area, so more space there too.
A good 10" sub in a stealth box is absolutely nothing compared to two 13.5 w7's, and unless ur a basshead you wouldn't understand.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uO4plyMWNqQ
If I remember correctly that was 1.8cubes sealed per sub. If you need more room you can see there is still more space to go taller and that box didnt go quite down to the bottom of the well area, so more space there too.
A good 10" sub in a stealth box is absolutely nothing compared to two 13.5 w7's, and unless ur a basshead you wouldn't understand.
Okay sweet once I get my engine done and in the car I will be having a box built for the back! And yeah a 10 would spound good but it won't be crazy loud like I want haha
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To get room to mount those subs in the back the top plate will need to be at an angle, but you'll need to watch how much an angle so the subs still have room at the magnet side without hitting the back wall, also go ahead and replace ALL of your taillight bulbs as it will be a huge PITA to take the box out to change any bulbs that burn out.
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My main reason for suggesting the back seat other then the space for a better box is you lose a lot of bass to the subs being behind the hump, also the seal on the back window is real easy to pop, it happened on my friends 96 bird and he didn't realize it and water got in and ruined the box (half the box was covered in MOLD).
To get room to mount those subs in the back the top plate will need to be at an angle, but you'll need to watch how much an angle so the subs still have room at the magnet side without hitting the back wall, also go ahead and replace ALL of your taillight bulbs as it will be a huge PITA to take the box out to change any bulbs that burn out.
To get room to mount those subs in the back the top plate will need to be at an angle, but you'll need to watch how much an angle so the subs still have room at the magnet side without hitting the back wall, also go ahead and replace ALL of your taillight bulbs as it will be a huge PITA to take the box out to change any bulbs that burn out.
04-30-2012, 07:09 PM
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what you might be able to do is get a box custom built that flows like the subthump ttop box but it extends all the way down into the well and not just to the top of the ttop holders. plus it would probably have to extend to the back of the seats and take up the entire back floor space (area under hatch)
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what you might be able to do is get a box custom built that flows like the subthump ttop box but it extends all the way down into the well and not just to the top of the ttop holders. plus it would probably have to extend to the back of the seats and take up the entire back floor space (area under hatch)
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We put that same sub into another box I built and put it in the blazer he had for a while and it was like 4 times louder.
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yeah that would suck and yeah they always do sound better in a larger vehicle
04-30-2012, 09:26 PM
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a pair of 13w7's is ridiculous insane bass. just 1 of them blow past my pair of 10w7's, hell a single 12 will keep up, and the pair of 10s is a **** load of bass, I've broken 3 trunk latches now 
. and yea they give a nice message and girls love it when their in the car.
The 13s will fit if in the right box, the space is there but their wont be any left. its going to require a ton of other upgrades, a giant alt and 2 batteries would be reccomended to start, plus 0 guage wire for every connection possible. I'd look into some nice HIDs so you can still have lights when bumpin at night. Sound deadening is going to be your best friend, as well as a sound barrier like mass loaded vinyl otherwise it will just sound like a big ratteling pile of crap. I give that rear hatch glass a few weeks at best its not as strong as a windshield...
as for why bigger cone subs sound better in larger cars has to do with how the sound wave develops. it takes longer for the soundwave off of a larger cone to fully develop as opposed to a smaller cone. I'm a total SQ guy, that's why the biggest sub I'll run in anything but an SUV is a 10. I have a single 12w7 on 2kw rms in my Denali and it sounds great, gets down a bit lower than my 10s but besides that it hits just as tight and sounds the same but in different enviroments. Alot of guys think they should match subs to the music they like but thats somewhat a myth. for example I love bass heavy music that has notes below 30hz and I still love the 8w7 and sundown sa-8 for that music. So for your Camero I would reccomend 3x 10s over 2x 13s and you would most likely have similar output with way better SQ for your car. also, I've come to find that W7's are most happy when they've got double their RMS rating to play with. the SQ actually gets way better and they handle the power in stride. I did a single 13w7 ported for a guy in his Excursion and did a pair of 1700w rms @1 ohm amps for a total just shy of 3200w and it was sweet. that was 5 years ago and the sub was still bumpin when he sold the car a few months back.
. and yea they give a nice message and girls love it when their in the car. The 13s will fit if in the right box, the space is there but their wont be any left. its going to require a ton of other upgrades, a giant alt and 2 batteries would be reccomended to start, plus 0 guage wire for every connection possible. I'd look into some nice HIDs so you can still have lights when bumpin at night. Sound deadening is going to be your best friend, as well as a sound barrier like mass loaded vinyl otherwise it will just sound like a big ratteling pile of crap. I give that rear hatch glass a few weeks at best
its not as strong as a windshield...as for why bigger cone subs sound better in larger cars has to do with how the sound wave develops. it takes longer for the soundwave off of a larger cone to fully develop as opposed to a smaller cone. I'm a total SQ guy, that's why the biggest sub I'll run in anything but an SUV is a 10. I have a single 12w7 on 2kw rms in my Denali and it sounds great, gets down a bit lower than my 10s but besides that it hits just as tight and sounds the same but in different enviroments. Alot of guys think they should match subs to the music they like but thats somewhat a myth. for example I love bass heavy music that has notes below 30hz and I still love the 8w7 and sundown sa-8 for that music. So for your Camero I would reccomend 3x 10s over 2x 13s and you would most likely have similar output with way better SQ for your car. also, I've come to find that W7's are most happy when they've got double their RMS rating to play with. the SQ actually gets way better and they handle the power in stride. I did a single 13w7 ported for a guy in his Excursion and did a pair of 1700w rms @1 ohm amps for a total just shy of 3200w and it was sweet. that was 5 years ago and the sub was still bumpin when he sold the car a few months back.
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a pair of 13w7's is ridiculous insane bass. just 1 of them blow past my pair of 10w7's, hell a single 12 will keep up, and the pair of 10s is a **** load of bass, I've broken 3 trunk latches now . and yea they give a nice message and girls love it when their in the car.
The 13s will fit if in the right box, the space is there but their wont be any left. its going to require a ton of other upgrades, a giant alt and 2 batteries would be reccomended to start, plus 0 guage wire for every connection possible. I'd look into some nice HIDs so you can still have lights when bumpin at night. Sound deadening is going to be your best friend, as well as a sound barrier like mass loaded vinyl otherwise it will just sound like a big ratteling pile of crap. I give that rear hatch glass a few weeks at best its not as strong as a windshield...
as for why bigger cone subs sound better in larger cars has to do with how the sound wave develops. it takes longer for the soundwave off of a larger cone to fully develop as opposed to a smaller cone. I'm a total SQ guy, that's why the biggest sub I'll run in anything but an SUV is a 10. I have a single 12w7 on 2kw rms in my Denali and it sounds great, gets down a bit lower than my 10s but besides that it hits just as tight and sounds the same but in different enviroments. Alot of guys think they should match subs to the music they like but thats somewhat a myth. for example I love bass heavy music that has notes below 30hz and I still love the 8w7 and sundown sa-8 for that music. So for your Camero I would reccomend 3x 10s over 2x 13s and you would most likely have similar output with way better SQ for your car. also, I've come to find that W7's are most happy when they've got double their RMS rating to play with. the SQ actually gets way better and they handle the power in stride. I did a single 13w7 ported for a guy in his Excursion and did a pair of 1700w rms @1 ohm amps for a total just shy of 3200w and it was sweet. that was 5 years ago and the sub was still bumpin when he sold the car a few months back.
. and yea they give a nice message and girls love it when their in the car. The 13s will fit if in the right box, the space is there but their wont be any left. its going to require a ton of other upgrades, a giant alt and 2 batteries would be reccomended to start, plus 0 guage wire for every connection possible. I'd look into some nice HIDs so you can still have lights when bumpin at night. Sound deadening is going to be your best friend, as well as a sound barrier like mass loaded vinyl otherwise it will just sound like a big ratteling pile of crap. I give that rear hatch glass a few weeks at best
its not as strong as a windshield...as for why bigger cone subs sound better in larger cars has to do with how the sound wave develops. it takes longer for the soundwave off of a larger cone to fully develop as opposed to a smaller cone. I'm a total SQ guy, that's why the biggest sub I'll run in anything but an SUV is a 10. I have a single 12w7 on 2kw rms in my Denali and it sounds great, gets down a bit lower than my 10s but besides that it hits just as tight and sounds the same but in different enviroments. Alot of guys think they should match subs to the music they like but thats somewhat a myth. for example I love bass heavy music that has notes below 30hz and I still love the 8w7 and sundown sa-8 for that music. So for your Camero I would reccomend 3x 10s over 2x 13s and you would most likely have similar output with way better SQ for your car. also, I've come to find that W7's are most happy when they've got double their RMS rating to play with. the SQ actually gets way better and they handle the power in stride. I did a single 13w7 ported for a guy in his Excursion and did a pair of 1700w rms @1 ohm amps for a total just shy of 3200w and it was sweet. that was 5 years ago and the sub was still bumpin when he sold the car a few months back.
I could go the 10 inch route that you stated but i already have the 13.5s also i already have a high output car audio battery to use, also a truck alternator.They will be powered by 2 jl 1,000 watt amps. i won't be doing this till about the middle of summer because i have to finish the motor first but i just wanted to know what I'm going to be up against.
Now do you guys really think it will cause that much damage to the car? i know they broke 2 windshield already but still lol I don't want to break **** and have to spend more money.