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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 02:50 AM
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So I'm driving home the other night at about 4am. I have a 01 T/A M6 with a cam(226/226 575/575 112+4) and all the bolt-ons and my friend is following me in his 98T/A A4 with all the bolt-ons. We are on a long empty stretch of highway and he pulls up next to me and punches it from a 55-60mph roll. I punch it and immediately pull on him and pass him. The speedo just keeps climbing and climbing and then when I get to somewhere between 155-160 the speed limiter kicks in. UGHHH, damnit I had reprogrammed the car after the cam install but forgot to adjust the speed limiter. So I'm pegged at just under 160 and here comes my friend. He had changed his programming as well and just walked right passed me. He said he felt like it pulled to about 180ish. It was crazy, I was running top speed for about 30-40 seconds, and it felt almost casual. It was crazy how it really didn't feel that fast. When I returned to something closer to the speed limit I felt like I could get out and run faster. Damnit...I was soo pissed..not really but I just hate losing. I mean it was awesome and nuts and completely crazy all at the same time...there were no other cars around at all..so please don't start flaming me. Needless to say as soon as I got home I changed the speed limiter. I had about 2k or maybe a little less rpms left in 5th gear...so I know I could have gotten it up there quite a bit. 6th gear just caused me to lose speed so I never used it until the governor started bouncing.

I know it was stupid, but it's my own life I'm risking and damnit I just had to do it. I'm curious to see what my car will pull to as far as top speed.
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 07:40 AM
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Yeah, your own life, uh huh, till that kid is sitting in the street you don't see when you are doing 160+, or even another vehicle.
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 10:13 AM
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I hate to sound like someone's dad here, but that's the kind of race that ends up very badly with dead bodies and national news coverage.
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 10:22 AM
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Originally Posted by v8maro
Yeah, your own life, uh huh, till that kid is sitting in the street you don't see when you are doing 160+, or even another vehicle.
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Any kid on a Road at 4 in the morning is probably trying to commit suicide or is other wise very unstable, as for other vehicles 3-4 AM is pretty desolate and people do have head and tail lights. I know the feeling of finally pulling 5th and I must say it is just as exciting as an actual race. I bought a HPPIII and the only thing it did for me was get me the fan reprogram and the all important NO SPEED LIMITER . Too bad you got beat though, better luck next time.
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 10:39 AM
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Wow...what were you thinkin man, I cant push myself past 140, I start thinking logically then and let off. Must of been a big *** rush.

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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 10:44 AM
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**** most i ever pushed mine is up to 110.. at that point i started to get parnoied on the free way middle of the day near jackson (the home of michigans biggest pownd me in the *** prison)
yeah man you god damn lucky but i hope you enjoied it. i figgure if i ever want to oppen it up all the way i would love to take it to the salt flats
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 10:58 AM
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damn man, that is crazy, i have been 180+ in a bad *** 422 Trans Am ws6. all the lights were going by so fast! the guy slowed down and it felt like we were going 10 miles an hour, but we were going 90. better luck next time, and please be careful!
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 11:16 AM
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Originally Posted by blk~2000~Z28
Any kid on a Road at 4 in the morning is probably trying to commit suicide or is other wise very unstable,
So it's OK to take out an unstable or suicidal person?

A human being ... one with parents and maybe children of their own?
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 11:22 AM
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that 12.88 et must be traction limited?
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 12:06 PM
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I hate to sound like someone's dad here, but that's the kind of race that ends up very badly with dead bodies and national news coverage.
Yah seriously ... was it really necessary to race to 180mph ???

Street racing is dangerous to begin with, but at 180mph it goes from dangerous to just plain stupid .... no more 160+ mph races please.

Oh, btw ... I know what you mean when you go back to highway speed after going fast ... horrible feeling.
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 12:07 PM
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Originally Posted by blk~2000~Z28
Any kid on a Road at 4 in the morning is probably trying to commit suicide or is other wise very unstable, as for other vehicles 3-4 AM is pretty desolate and people do have head and tail lights. .....

Yeah you're right ... I have never seen drunk teenagers crossing a road at 3-4 am .... but it's because they're unstable ...
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 01:32 PM
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Sorry to hear about you loosing.

Just want to add my .02 on the high speed issue. Going fast is great. Believe me when I say I have been fast. But one thing alot of people dont realise is the variables that come into play at those kinds of speeds. I dont want to brow beat you, but if you want to run fast, do it on a prepared course.........come play with me in May. I could go on forever about the dangers of high speed and the physics that are involved in it.

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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 02:09 PM
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NataSS Inc is the man when it comes to top end runs. I've read some of his posts. He knows his stuff.
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 03:49 PM
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damn, I dont think Ill ever have the ***** to go anywhere near that fast on a highway where there is a chance that, even though you dont see anybody, you still may kill someone. Plus, you say it is your life, but did you ever think what it would do to people that you are close to? Even if your the only one to get injured/killed, your not the only one that gets effected. Please remember this when you think of doing that again.
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by unit213
I hate to sound like someone's dad here, but that's the kind of race that ends up very badly with dead bodies and national news coverage.
Hate to say it, but i'm with unit on this.
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 04:17 PM
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Originally Posted by john_matrix
that 12.88 et must be traction limited?
Yea..that was with a lousy 2.2 60ft on street tires. Spun bad outta the whole, then again when I hit 2nd.
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 05:08 PM
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I do all my serious high speed runs on open highways, 4 lane all the way, and late night.
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 05:29 PM
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Ive gone 150+ countless times. All you need is a little room, no cars for a ways and have your eyes open for anything. I just keep my wheel perfectly straight. If your car has the power it does take full throttle for very long to get there.

Ive pushed my car to the limits and unless something mechanical fails I feel in control. Especially after a time to the track with no swaybar, street tires on front, and drags on the back with 8 psi, on a wavy track. I was all over, Almost lost it near the traps at 125.
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 07:05 PM
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Just some food for thought guys. At 160mph you are covering 1 mile in roughly 21 seconds. Thats about 5,280 ft in above mentioned time frame. In Sept. of 02 I did 90 miles in 36 minutes flat. That means I averaged 150mph from start to finish. The cruising speed for us was 165mph for LONG periods of time, only slowing to 130-140mph for the corners. We do all of this on a 2 lane highway that is only 21ft wide and has NO shoulder. I constantly had to watch out for coyotes, deer, turkey buzzards and misc debris in the road. and this is on a closed road that has been "swept", in broad daylight.

I see alot of posts from people talking about how when they want to do "high speed runs" they do it late at night on a highway with no one around. this is just my opinion but this is the absolute worst time to do it (other than rush hour...you know what I mean). and this is why.

Say your cooking down the local highway at 2 am at around 160mph. Basically you are flying blind at . You are cruising at such a speed where as you are "outdriving" your headlights making them about useless. Dropping your already narrow "window for mistakes". Now throw in the fact that you are on a road that could quite havea bunch of crap all over it from the idot land scaping trucks that dont cover thier loads or tire chunks from that semi that had the tread seperate from the tire carcass. As you are smoking down the road at this speed, the distance you cover does not give you ANY time to make steering/braking inputs into the car.

Now it takes the human mind about .5 seconds to realize something is wrong, another .5 seconds to figure out how to fix the problem and another .5-1.0 seconds to make the physical inputs into the car and a neglegible amount of time for the car to react. So from the time you saw that tire shell in front of you at night and then tried to fix the scenario with mechanical inputs to the car, you just covered 470 feet. And god forbid you hit the panic button and slam on the brakes. Nailing the brakes at that speed will boil your brake fluid and your ABS will go hay wire. If the fluid boils, your ABS is useless. More than likely you will lock the tires at 160mph creating flats spots on all 4s. Now if you actualy hit that tire skin at that speed with one of your tires.......tire goes BOOM (it takes very little to rupture a tire at these speeds). Now you just took out 1 or more of the only directional controls of the car that are already useless. From this point forward is where the national news coverage comes in. Now if you make a knee jerk steering input into the car.....your done....put a fork in you. If your car even remains on all 4s baring tire failure, god was smiling on you that day.

Last year I lost a good friend to high speed. He was cruising down the north bound leg of the Bonnoville 100 ORR at 215mph in his tube chassied, SB2 powered, Penske suspended corvette (pretty much a NASCAR with a vette body). He lost his left front tire exiting a right hand sweeper. The car exited the road at right about 200mph and proceeded to repeetedly roll until it came to a complete stop......1 mile from the initial impact. 1 mile to come to a stop. Thats only 40mph faster than what most of you are talking about and only 3 seconds faster in the mile.

I am not picking on anyone and lord knows I am not free from guilt, I have done it to. I just now understand what can happen out there and everything that comes into play. Running fast is a hell of alot of fun.....but the risk grows at an exponential rate the faster you go.
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Old Dec 1, 2003 | 07:15 PM
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I told you NataSS has high speed skill, but you didn't want to listen.
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