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another Internet myth

Ke^in

I think that has more to do with different dynos than it does factory freaks.

I doubt they are making cars with 10hp difference now a days.

IMHO. I could very well be wrong. If I am, I am sure someone will speak up.

big hammer

you arent comparing apples to apples though. there are alot of 5th gens also running in the lower-mid 13's at 105ish mph. 12.6-13.0 @ 111 isn't where they all run.

there were also alot 4th gens running in the very low 13's, and evan smith wasnt the only person to run 12's bone stock with a 4th gen.

nobody is calling the 5th gen slow. just the l99 (alot of them are turds)

is the ls3 faster? quite likely. but it's not enough to get me excited about one.

UltraZLS1

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I was comparing apples to apples in regard to magazine times. In which the camaro is running 13.0 at 111 in almost all of them. I have seen times as low as 13.8 in the same mags that got a 13.0 with the 5th gen. Then in comparison to non mag times the new camaro has it beat also with the 12.6 in under a year.

That is all I meant.

Times vary etc etc...but the one thing is that on average the 5th gen has is about a 3-4mph trap advantage. which would give it about 4 tenths advantage on average with comparable driving. They are just harder to hook with. Like I said...the 12.61 at 111 was with a 1.95 60ft...not terrible but I believe some can and will do better. This car has had well under a year at the strip. Give it some credit. These are impressive time in my opinion.

But yeah I agree with you that it is not a massive difference. But I dont understand why many say it is not enough to get excited about. It is faster than a 4th gen and many are excited enough about them to own one? LT1 cars have ran as fast as 13.6-7 I believe...people still bought ls1 cars.....

Doesnt make since to me. What are people wanting...an 11 second car for 31k? Not going to happen.

liqidvenom

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the internet myth is all this talk about 12 sec bone stock down to the tire ls1's.

one guy does it and it seems everyone speaks on it like thats anything close to the norm.

Deuuuce

True, and prep/conditions.

SRT Engineers said there is an allowable 2% variance in the production 6.1. So if that means 17hp low or 17hp high, that is a big difference. If it's just 8.5 high or low, not so much.

odarabla

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Sorry fellas but I am having a hard time believeing that any stock LS1 F-body is going to beat a stock 2010 SS camaro. I've seen 2 of them run at the track so far. one went 12.8@110 and the other went 12.7@112 with just a cold air intake.

big hammer

ls3? i raced a stock l99 with my near stock ws6 and killed it. i have yet to see an ls3 perform in person though.

BLWNV10

I agree to a certain extent. After all it takes a certain amount of power to run a desired ET when considering the weight of a vehicle. Of course those are only goals as track prep, DA, etc. etc. also play an important role like you mentioned.

BLWNV10

I don't think anyone here has implied that 12's are the norm for an LS1 F-body. Atleast I hope not. It has however happened on more than one occasion, GMHTP to name another source. They wen't 12.9 in a stock Z.

big hammer

i think there have been a handful of guys on this site do it too--- but like you said it isnt the norm at all.

getcha 01

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I dont know who or where u got the 2010 SS times from because when they came out and I actually was seeing them at the track last summer all the magazines were saying they were running 13.10's-13.30's, about what they said for the cars like mine stock 01-02 WS6 LS1 6spd. I seen some times in high 12's for my car stock and also for the 2010 SS's. I found out that LS1 cars in 01-02 were able to break 12's in motor trend, but it was with 98 octane and drag radials, stock tires and 93 octane was 13.10-13.30. The 2010 SS was the same story except it was rated at 100 more HP! Well from what I have seen at the dyno shop is the 01-02 SS and WS6 with just a lid and catback put down 305-315RWHP on regular basis. The 2010 SS with exhaust is putting down the same numbers, so GM is lying about the power of the 2010 SS or didnt rate the 01-02 LS1's high enough so they didnt take customers away from the vettes. At any rate, at the track last year I became friends with a guy with a 2010 SS and a guy with a 04 LS1 GTO. Both good drivers, and 6 spds. The guy with SS had exhaust and air intake and it sounded really good and sounded like he was moving pretty good, but out of 20 runs I seen him run over the summer he never bettered 13.60's, it was upsetting to me and him. He never had worse than 2.0 60ft's or lower than 105mph, and numerous 2010's were running 14's, so he sold it. The '04 GTO had headers and tune and was out running the LS2 GTO's non stop with same mods and "supposably" 50 less hp stock. He was running 13.30's. I am at 12.49's with full exhaust, NO tune,SLP LID, free mods, $3000 in my 6spd and LS7 clutch. Still all I have is headers and LID, I ran 13.18 stock as a rock. I mean something is up, the LS1's 01-02 are a beast compaired to the LS2,LS3 but are rated at less HP. But then any of the '05 or newer Z06's straight stomp me and seem to run right where the magazines get them to run.....WUT IS UP GM????

getcha 01

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I havnt yet to see a 2010 SS here in STL break into 12's, I have seen 1 out of prolly 50 2010SS passes run the 13.10 they are suppoosed to run and it had cold air,exhaust,tune,drag radials, and his other 7 runs were 13.50-13.80. They run around what the LT1 cars ran with headers and minor bolt ons from what I have seen. I have raced my buddy numerous times at GATEWAY and its not even close, I get him by a whole second with headers, no tune, street tires, $3000 in my 6spd and a LS7 clutch with pro 5.0 shifter, but I still have stock gears,intake,throttle body,cam,heads,mass air flow. I ran 13.18 stock and it made my buddy sell his 2010 SS after he tried everything to get into 12's after I did it with just tires and a lid and headers 12.70's.....

getcha 01

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The factory freak thing people get mixed up...go to JRP's frequently asked questions on this site and it tells u a lot. From being in a dyno shop I guess it could look like factory freaks but its not. GM did a lot of weird stuff when they came out with the Z06 in 2001. There is a lot of F body's with a lot of Z06 engine parts, but also a lot without them and all are rated the same. I got it all the time with my 01 WS6 when I ran 13.18 stock and put 310hp down on the dyno, people said my engine was rebuilt and this and that, but come to find out the heads are different,blocks different, injectors, and a whole lot of other stuff. In 01-02 the F bodys varied a lot...some put 295 down on dyno, very few put 315 down, but i've seen it and thats a huge huge difference...some got better valves/springs,better flowing exhaust/heads, different stock tunes, limited slips, tons of different stuff...just check the part numbers on ur stock parts, there is about 100 different numbers for the same damn years from 01-02, you never know what ur going to get, but its going to be within 13.0-13.50 1/4 mile times, its not like sumones going to run 12.50's in a stock LS1. Ive heard a lot of people running 12.90's with just a lid and catback with drag radials which I believe because I have seen a lot go 13.0's-13.20's with lid and catbacks....Also have some buddies with 98-00 LS1 cars with cams and gears only running that, and ran 13.80's stock at best so......

Quick SSilver 98

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Thats just IRS vs SRA at the track happens all the time. He would need a super charger to be in the 12s or a very good H/C setup, but look at it he would need to make 500+ HP to see 12s when you could be doing it with around 350HP or so, not to mention the suspension and good sticky tires he would need to hook up on that shitty IRS.

Deuuuce

And replace it with what?

Disclosing the 60fts and trap speeds would be nice.

odarabla

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Yes both cars had the LS3 in them.
Update, his car is a 2010SS A6 fully loaded car with headers, coldair intake tune and stock mufflers went 12.32@113mph his 60ft was somewhere in the 1.6X's

edit on my first edit: I didn't realize that all autos come with the L99 engine and his car is an auto! So there you go. His car went 12.9@ 109 stock, 12.52@110 with intake and headers then he had it tuned and went 12.32@113mph. This isn't by any means slow!!

ARCTIC '00

Soooo the new Camaro is "slightly" faster than the old one. What's all the fuss about?

liqidvenom

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even with that there is many types of races/performance tests that a stock 5th gen will beat a stock 4th gen at.

braking
handling
auto x
small/medium/full length race tracks
texas mile type of events
etc.....

i just dont get why its such a shock or so hard to beleive.

odarabla

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I Agree with you and Artic! The new Camaros run very well for what they are a respond very well to mods but it seems like some people cannot except that!