Bowtiered

In STOCK form, which of the following is the fastest? (generally speaking)
LS1 Fbody
4.6 Mustang GT
4.6 Mustang Cobra (pre-03)
Bullit Mustang

My friend argues to death that the Mustangs are faster despite the fact that they run 14s stock and some dip into the 13s, when LS1s run 13s and dip into the 12s. . . He won't listen to numbers, all he says is "numbers don't matter, in the magazines it's rigged, the put down compound for the test (which he somehow thinks benefits Camaros more than stangs ) GM can pay them off, what i've seen on the street matters" Anyone have any STOCK mustang gt/cobra vs STOCK SS or Z28 videos?

Also, how many years have mustangs been faster than the fastest F-body? 5?6? help me prove him wrong, i even signed up at a mustang forum to get them to concede in hopes he'll admit he's wrong. (he also thinks 80's 5.slows are "hella fast" even when compared to LS1s. . . )

Skarecrow

your friend is on crack.

I've owned both cars. a 94 GT (which has a 5.0), and a 98 t/a (with the ls1). the mustang had minor mods, the most important of which was 4.10:1 gears. the t/a is bone stock, down to the paper filter (replaced it myself a few weeks ago).

the ls1 SLAUGHTERS the GT in every aspect. i would not be suprised if the t/a is a second and a half faster (i havn't gotten to the track yet) at the same track with the same driver (me) based on the way it feels on the street.

speaking completely stock, a 1999/2001 cobra is CLOSE in all-around speed to a 1998-2000 ls1, but not the equal. the 2001/02 are clearly superior, if only by a few carlengths. those same "few carlengths" will show up every time.

a current GT is only about half a second faster than my GT was. forget about it, it's over. a current GT might have a fighting chance against a stock LT1, if the gt has the better driver, but not an LS1.

Ravenous T\A

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I think the dude just yanken your chain to **** u off, no one can be that stupid!!! even motor trend and mags like that show were hella faster then a stock rustang

Bowtiered

here's what he won't buy- the 99 cobra tops out at 149, and the SS 162. i think i remember C&D reporting 5.3 0-6 for the SS and 5.9 ish for the cobra. that's not really much faster. don't 01/02 cobras cost way more than SSs anyway?

OneMeanZ

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I agree, he has to be f*cking with you or he is just plain stupid!

Skarecrow

way more? no i don't think so. i never bought one, but i think fully optioned WS6s and SSs were in the high 20s, like $28k or $29k, and the cobra was the same realm? maybe low low $30k?

look, I've been a mustang man almost all my life. I still am to some extent (I'm dieing to see what the 2006 cobra is like)... and I'm telling you and your friend plain and simple that the ls1 is faster. It just IS.

your friend doesn't know much about cars if he thinks a 5.3 0-60 isn't much faster than a 5.9 0-60. ask him if a 5.9 0-60 isn't much faster than a 7.0 0-60 that a civic or a focus runs.

Skarecrow

btw, the 2003 cobra is the first mustang to be difinitivly faster than the same year (well, 02 since there is no 03) f-body since the lt1 showed up in 1993. that's 10 years. and even then, was the 1993 cobra really difinitivly faster than the 92 L98s? i dunno.

BigBronco

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hell i have driven a new 04 stock gt and it's slow as **** compared to the ls1's and ls6's that i have driven. i mean, this guy honestly is an idiot, and should be shot for thinking of this. why doesnt darwinism work faster so these people and ricers can be eliminated from the gene pool!!

yes the ls1 kills mustangs stock for stock! minus the 03 cobras

easy_rider

He has to be messing around. Or he has Ford tunnel vision or something. I know people like that though, never want to hear anything but what thier brand is anything else is LIES!!!!

Bowtiered

did ford miss the memo saying that all other car companies were going to add another gear?

Skarecrow

funny you should say that considering the 05 GT comes with a 6-speed manual standard, and an optional 5-speed automatic. I doubt that they are the last company to drop the 5-speed stick/4-speed auto either.

hey, um, my GM has a 4-speed auto.

x phantom x

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Wow dude, your friend is an idiot.

"It's what I've seen on the street that matters ..." ROTFL!!!
Actually slick, it's what goes on at the track that matters ... on the street anything can happen ... on the track there will be repeatable results ... and the fact is, an LS1 f-bod is faster/better in every single aspect over a GT. Faster 0-60, faster 1/8 mile, faster 1/4 mile (by around a full second), higher top speed, better handling, better braking, better looking, better interior layout, and most importantly ... LS1's take to mods WAY better than SOHC 4.6's do.
Tell your friend he has mental issues and should just quit "arguing" now.

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Fully optioned WS6 and SS's were 33-35,000, brand new (here in NY at least).

SouthFL.02.SS

Tell your friend, I've only lost to 1, yes 1 Mustang out of dozens.
The one I lost to was a 460ci. powered first gen. Mach 1 (engine dropped in).
He beat me by .1 second. I ran a 12.1


I've run countless 4.6L Stangs and have put them all away, yes, even when I was stock.

I owned a 1993 LX 5.0 5sp, notch (last of the Fox bodies), and it did not compare stock vs. stock to the SS.

Tell your buddy I'll give him a ride in my car.

99-LS1-SS

Think of it like this. How many feet does your car travel in one second at 60 mph? I think it is 88' if my math is right. Now you have .6 seconds difference between the 2 cars. If 88' is correct then the faster car reaches 60 mph 52.8 feet sooner than the car that runs 0-60 in 5.9. That should give him a visual on the differences in those times.

roger

guy sounds like he dont know to much...doesnt he realize that the MACH is the one that puts the woopin on the ls1,s not the gt!

oh btw the 05 mustang will still have a 5spd.

KCamaro

no comment on the mach seen it go either way. but yes the 05 is a 5spd still. main reason i went ahead and bought the camaro. Oh and the camaro is faster.

BigBronco

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oh well, i will personally call your friend and tell him HOW SLOW AN 04 GT 5 SPD IS!!!! and my two auto c4's run fine for now, but i would love to get a T-56 for them any day of the week!

Skarecrow

I looked it up, and it seems you guys are right. Weird, I could have sworn the 05 GT was getting a 6-speed. I suppose they're saving that for the cobra.

Btw phantom, you are wrong on one count. Mustangs are easier to actually get into and out of. My doors feel like they're half the length of the car sometimes. Tight parking = the suck

King02SS

I paid 32k with all slp options minus the collectors edition paint scheme for mine.
Don't you run a 13.5 at the track? Hardly a whooping. I've seen stock LS1s pull that off at 5800 feet above sea level lol. Compared to most stock LS1s though that is pretty close and a very good fight.

roger

nah king car runs better than 13.50,s but it was meant as a joke.

BUT i have yet to loose to a stock ls1.on the street or at the track,and ive raced a few.