BlackDemonSS

Couldnt agree with you more!!! If Vipers are at the top of the food chain then how come no professional race team has yet to make them a top choice for a performance vehicle . As I recall Dodge Vipers finish LAST in the American Le Mans Series, and if the GTR is so great and dandy then get them out and run Sebring, Road America, or the 24 Hour of LeMans against the big boys. :biggun2:

Killemall

Sorry...Didnt mean to stir the pot with my top of the food chain comment

Vipers and Supras have been tradeing six speed 1/4 mile records now for years. The FGT AND GALLARDO ARE NO WERE EVEN CLOSE 1/4 MILE WISE.

As of right now the fastest 1/4 mile six speed cars are vipers. But the Supra is ALWAYS only a tenth or two behind and at some point they will flip flop again.

Vipers can also drive around at 1000 rwhp on pump gas. And get around 2000 rwhp on race with big builds.

Because of the pump gas capabilities and current six speed 1/4 mile record holder status I said what I said. ut you guys are right...The mile is quickly becoming more important than the 1/4 mile for bragging rights and the fastest viper is only around 240 mph...sad compared to its competitors

Redfire 03

I don't know about in recent years but what I do know is the Viper accomplished quite a bit in its first 7 years of production: Class Winner at LeMans, 4 FIA championships, American LeMans Championship (24hr of Daytona), and a 3rd straight LeMans Class win in 2000. I don't keep up with the Gen III & IV Vipers much but I know the first two generations were bad ***.

1992TsiAWD

What do race cars have to do with this discussion?

Redfire 03

Sheesh. 2000hp is nasty!!!

DiscerningZ32

LMR has made over 1200rwhp with an LSX on pump gas.
The owner of the car is on here, I believe his name is RC or something. Like the soda, lol.

Killemall

regular production viper is currently leading the way at just about every track out there from the ring to secca. The ACR is a street legal bastard that has just raped everything on ANY road course from the GTR and ZR1 to the superlegerra and Big Lambo.

Im always amazed when people dont realize that the Viper is the dominant force in road raceing. The only reason it took a HIATUS from the early 2000's till 07 Is because the viper kicked so much *** at the major events that they kept putting more and more rescrictions on the car to make it more fair for the other cars.

Im very proud of its racing history as well as acomplishments today. Honestly here it is 3 years later and the ZR1 guys are still talking about how with differant tires they will be able to match the Viper and the GTR guys are talking about with the 2012 GTR they will surpass the ZR1 and give the Viper a run. 7.22 at the ring for a street legal production car is just sickening.

Redfire 03

I agree with you Killemall on everything except what's in bold. The Viper may be faster than the ZR1 around the ring but surely its not a "raping". Im not sure on the exact times for both but its gotta be VERY close!

But yes the Viper is an amazing machine and its a too bad so many people have to hate on it.

marc97taws6

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I'm pretty sure most of us "hate it" out of spite for Killemall's ways. Maybe a bit of jealousy for some people? In reality though, who would turn down a Viper given to them?

Redfire 03

Good points. I know I wouldn't.

DiscerningZ32

Apparently you've never heard of a 911 GT2 RS, Gumpert Apollo Speed, or Mosler MT900S.
All of which absolutely destroy any viper around a track.

willizm

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I was just going to bring up the Porsche 911 GT2 RS which went around the Nurburgring at 7:18 whereas the ACR was at 7:22 I believe. Non the less, that ACR is bad ***, but all these top manufactures are constantly outdoing each other so their is no long term champion.

Killemall

Guys dont be fooled by the porshe. It is not valid and was used as a marketing tool to attract porsche customers.

They divided the ring up into 8 parts and then had the p car run each part in a timed fashion and then combined all the times and said the P car ran the 7.18. So basically they cpould run each timed session as many times as they wanted till they got their fastest and then combine all the fastest times for the 7.18.

TOTAL BULLSHIT. The VIPER VETTE and GTR all went the full ring to run their times. Pretty lame by Porshe and no one counts that as valid.

Killemall

This just happenned last month at Miller. The previous record was held by a ZR1 at 2.03 seconds. A stock ACR raped the record with a 1.59..Thats 4 seconds on a 2 minute track. That is a rapeing..

http://www.gtspirit.com/2011/04/21/v...-track-record/

Killemall

Full list from the Ring

Production vehicles

6:55 Radical SR8 Michael Vergers 28 September 2005 Radical Sportscars[4] Timed by Sport Auto [5][6][7]
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:11.5 Gumpert Apollo Speed Florian Gruber 13 August 2009 Sport auto (Germany) (Article)
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:14.89 Donkervoort D8 RS Michael Düchting 2006 Sport auto (Germany) (Article)
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:18 Porsche 911 GT2 RS Timo Kluck April 2010 [7] [8] MANUFACTUER CLAIM
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:18.1 Donkervoort D8 RS Michael Düchting 24 October 2004 Sport auto (Germany) (Article)
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:22.1 Dodge Viper ACR (2009) Tom Coronel 18 August 2008 Chrysler and Motor Trend conducted test.[9]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:24 Porsche 911 GT2 RS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2010)[10]
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:24.22 Nissan GT-R (2011) Toshio Suzuki 1 October 2010 Nissan conducted test.[11] Semi-wet conditions. Video confirmed. Best Motoring (12/2010).[12]
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:24.3 Maserati MC12 Marc Basseng August 2008 Evo Magazine conducted test
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:24.44 Pagani Zonda F Clubsport Marc Basseng August 2008 Evo Magazine conducted test
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:25.7 Ferrari Enzo Marc Basseng August 2008 Evo Magazine conducted test.
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:26.4 Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 (2009) Jim Mero 27 June 2008 General Motors conducted test,[13] base specification car with stock tires and non-stock safety equipment, video confirmed.
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:26.70 Nissan GT-R (2009) Toshio Suzuki 23 April 2009 Nissan Motors conducted test. video confirmed. Best Motoring (08/2009).[14]
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:27.82 Pagani Zonda F Clubsport Marc Basseng September 2007 Pagani conducted test,[15][16] semi-wet conditions[citation needed]
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:28.71 Porsche Carrera GT Walter Röhrl 2 July 2004 (07/04) [16]
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:29.03 Nissan GT-R (2009) Toshio Suzuki 17 April 2008 Nissan Motors conducted test,.[17][18][19] The test used a stock GT-R with stock tires. Video confirmed.
20,600 m (67,600 ft)[citation needed]

7:32.02 Porsche 911 GT2 (2008) Walter Röhrl 2007 Porsche conducted test,[20] R compound tires used.[citation needed]
20,832 m (68,346 ft)

7:32.92 Ferrari 458 Italia Sascha Bert November 2010 Auto Bild Sportscars (11/2010)
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:33 Porsche 911 GT3 RS 997MkII Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (04/2010), PCCB [21]
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:33.6 Koenigsegg CCX Marc Basseng August 2008 Evo Magazine conducted test
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:34 Koenigsegg CCR Horst von Saurma 17 October 2005 Sport Auto (03/2006)[22]


7:34 Porsche 911 GT2 September 2008 Porsche conducted test,[23] stock vehicle with stock tires
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:34 Nissan GT-R (2011) Horst von Saurma October 2010 Sport Auto (11/2010),.[24]
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:35 Ruf Rt 12 Sport Auto (02/2008)[25]
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:38 Lexus LFA Horst von Saurma September 2010 Sport Auto conducted test,[26] Bridgestone Potenza S001 tires used.
7:38 Porsche 911 Turbo September 2008 Porsche conducted test,[23] stock vehicle with stock tires
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:38 Chevrolet Corvette C6 ZR1 Horst von Saurma October 2009 Sport Auto conducted test,[27] Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires used.
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:38 Nissan GT-R Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (07/2009),[28] Dunlop SP Sport 600 DSST run flat tires used.
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:38 Ferrari 458 Italia Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2010), Michelin Pilot Sport PS2 tires used.
20,832 m (68,346 ft)

7:38.85 Lexus LFA Sascha Bert November 2010 Auto Bild Sportscars (11/2010)

7:39 Porsche 911 Turbo (2010) Porsche Conducted Test [29] Stock vehicle with stock tires
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:39 Ferrari 430 Scuderia Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (07/2008)[30]
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:40 Lamborghini Murcielago LP640 Giorgio Sanna Lamborghini Autobild (01/2007)
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:40 Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren Klaus Ludwig AutoBild (07/2004)[citation needed]
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:40 Porsche 911 GT3 997MkII Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (06/2009)[31]
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:40 Mercedes SLS AMG Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (2010)[32]
7:40.6 Ford GT Markus Draper Octane Magazine[citation needed]
20,832 m (68,346 ft)

7:40.76 Lamborghini Gallardo LP570-4 Superleggera Sascha Bert November 2010 Auto Bild Sportscars (11/2010)
20,832 m (68,346 ft)

7:41.23 Porsche 911 Turbo S Sascha Bert November 2010 Auto Bild Sportscars (11/2010)
20,832 m (68,346 ft)

7:41.50 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 Sascha Bert August 2009 Auto Bild Sportscars (08/2009)


7:42 Porsche 911 GT3 Walter Röhrl Automobil (05/2006) Sport Auto (05/2006)
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:42 Lamborghini Murciélago LP670-4 SV Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2010?) [33]


7:42.99 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 Jan Magnussen 2005 General Motors,[34][35] Motor Trend confirmed
20,832 m (68,346 ft)

7:43.65 Nissan GT-R Sascha Bert November 2010 Auto Bild Sportscars (11/2010)


7:43 Porsche 911 GT3 RS 'Motor' magazine[citation needed]
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:44 Audi R8 V10 Sport Auto (09/2009)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:44 Pagani Zonda S Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (02/2005)
20,832 m (68,346 ft)

7:44.42 Mercedes-Benz SLS AMG Sascha Bert November 2010 Auto Bild Sportscars (11/2010)
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:46 Porsche 911 GT2 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (06/2001)
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:46 Lamborgini Gallardo Superleggera Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (09/2007)[36]


7:46.36 Jaguar XJ220 John Nielsen Evo (07/2000) [37]
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:47 Porsche 911 GT3 RS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2004)
20,600 m (67,600 ft) 7:47 Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano Horst von Saurma Sport Auto[38]
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:47 Lamborghini Murciélago LP640 E-gear Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2007), Sport tires[citation needed]
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:48 BMW M3 GTS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto[39]
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:49 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z06 Horst von Saurma 22 June 2007 Sport Auto[40]
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:50 BMW M3 CSL Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2003)
20,600 m (67,600 ft)

7:50 Porsche 911 Carrera S (2009) Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/2008),[41] PCCB, PDK, Sport Chrono Plus, Michelin Cup tires


7:52 Lamborghini Gallardo LP 560-4 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (11/2008),[42] apparently problems with tires and ABS


7:54 Mercedes CLK DTM AMG Sport Auto (03/2005)


7:54 Nissan GT-R September 2008 Porsche conducted test,[23] stock vehicle with stock tires


7:54 Porsche 911 Turbo 997 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (05/2007)[43]


7:55 Caterham R500 Superlight Robert Nearn 'EVO' magazine (07/2000)


7:55 Ferrari F430 F1 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (01/2006)


7:56 Chevrolet Corvette C5 Z06 Dave Hill crossedflags.com[44]


7:56 Porsche 911 Turbo Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (06/2000)


7:56 Ferrari 360 Challenge Stradale f1 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (02/2004), Sport tires[citation needed]


7:56.773 Honda NSX-R NA2 Motoharu Kurosawa Best Motoring video "Carrera Invasion",2002


7:59 Chevrolet Corvette C6 Z51 Dave Hill General Motors conducted test[citation needed]


7:59 Cadillac CTS-V (2009) John Heinricy 9 May 2008 General Motors conducted test,[45] video confirmed[46]


7:59 Porsche 911 Carrera S Walter Röhrl 'Wheels' magazine (06/2004), PASM setting "Performance"[citation needed]


7:59 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 V-Spec Dirk Schoysman 1996 Best Motoring - Time Attack / Autocar magazine 97, stock[citation needed][47]


7:59 Dodge Viper SRT-10 November 2005 Motor Trend[citation needed]


8:01 Nissan Skyline GT-R R33 Motoharu Kurosawa Best Motoring - Video Special DVD Series, Prototype (weight/horsepower different from production car)[citation needed]


8:02 Mercedes CLK 63 AMG - Black Series Autobild (07/2007)


8:02 Aston Martin DBS Horst von Saurma Sport Auto [48]
8:03 Aston Martin V8 Vantage (2005) Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (10/2005)


8:03 Porsche 911 GT3 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (08/1999)


8:03 Honda NSX-R (NA1) Motoharu Kurosawa FM3 (02/2011)


8:04 Audi R8 V8 Sport Auto (07/2007)[49]


8:04 Porsche Cayman S Walter Röhrl Sport Auto, 19 inch wheels, ceramic brakes.[citation needed]


8:05 BMW M3 E92 Horst von Saurma Sport Auto (12/2007)[50]

Irunelevens

The GT-R was only 2 seconds behind the Viper in semi-wet conditions

Redfire 03

I stand corrected. The ACR is a beast for sure!

ZR1 still holds the 1/4 mile record for any American production vehicle. 10.7@133. I think the ACR is right behind at 10.9@130.

01SuperSport

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I love GTR's and this one looks bad

odarabla

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Those GTR's are beast!