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Old 10-04-2014, 11:13 AM
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Here's the 1LE package:

front anti-roll-bar mounting setup, 10-by-20-inch front wheels and 11-by-20-inch rears, and beefier half-shafts. The equipment pilfered directly from the ZL1 includes wheel bearings, toe links, rear shock mounts, the fuel pump, the flat-bottom steering wheel, the short-throw six-speed manual and its transmission cooler, and 285/35-20 Goodyear Eagle F1 Supercar G: 2 tires all around (the ZL1 gets 305/35-20 rubber at the rear). The beefy wheel-and-tire combo actually saves a total of 22 pounds of unsprung weight.

The 1LE package also comes with a shorter final-drive ratio of 3.91:1 versus the 3.45:1 rear end in the SS and adds monotube rear dampers—instead of the SS’s twin tubes—and a strut-tower brace.
The final drive is the only thing I see that would make it quicker than an SS. It seems like all of the extra kit may even make it heavier than a base V8 car. Maybe the dual mode exhaust helps a little as well?

When my car was stock I pulled on a stock LS3 SS by about 2-2.5 cars.
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Close ratio 6 speed too. That is cheating when the 5.0 uses a gearing advantage though.
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Originally Posted by Blown383LS1
Close ratio 6 speed too. That is cheating when the 5.0 uses a gearing advantage though.
They aren't geared well for the 1/4mi. Seem to roll through the traps in the middle of 4th. It's a road race car.
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The 1le gearing ends up being slightly better than the regular gearing.
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The 1LE looks 10x better than the standard SS as well. Wish all of the SS cars looked like that.
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Originally Posted by BlackGasGuzzler
Here's the 1LE package:


The final drive is the only thing I see that would make it quicker than an SS. It seems like all of the extra kit may even make it heavier than a base V8 car. Maybe the dual mode exhaust helps a little as well?

When my car was stock I pulled on a stock LS3 SS by about 2-2.5 cars.
The dual exhaust can be added to a non 1LE SS. It is good for some hp/tq, dyno proven by LG.

The stock wheels of the 1LE are lighter than SS wheels. I think the 1LE is better at roll racing than a SS cause of gearing but the SS is better geared for the 1/4. The 1LE has a short throw shifter too. And since 13' they have the electric power steering, freeing some hp. All details that count in the end.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
That's a SS and not a 1le too. A 1le would do even better.
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A stock 1LE can't outrun a stock 5.0? Ok.

Stock 1LE could manhandle a stock 5.0. Throw some mods on it too and see what happens.

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Puff, puff pass

I'll post my very average times for you guys again..

Stock 12.9 @ 108
CAI, tune, Xpipe 12.45 @ 115

Getting those times was easy peasy. Step on the gas and go. It's not a light car either.. with the options the curb weight sits at 3900#. I would be pretty far down on any kind of Coyote fastest list. However the 1le list is a different story..

I'd rank #3 on the stock 1le list, and #2 on the bolt ons list - with less bolt ons than 90% of them

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ight=Fast+List

Stock - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...=sharing#gid=0

Bolt ons - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...=sharing#gid=0

The lists represent my actual experience racing 5th Gens, whether 1le optioned or not it didn't make a difference. So how many races have you guys had in your 5th gens with a different outcome? Wait.... do you guys own 5th gens...
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^^ well I did 12.77@113mph with a 2.2 60ft. I bet your 60ft is way better than that heh? Track is bad and DA is far from good too. 2100 DA IIRC. FWIW a 2014 stingray never trap more than 113mph that day and did a best of 12.47 average 12.60-70.

5th are doing pretty ok. Early L99 gave the bad rep to the 5th. Now the fastest 5th are the boltons L99.

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Originally Posted by Johnnystock
^^ well I did 12.77@113mph with a 2.2 60ft. I bet your 60ft is way better than that heh? Track is bad and DA is far from good too. 2100 DA IIRC. FWIW a 2014 stingray never trap more than 113mph that day and did a best of 12.47 average 12.60-70.

5th are doing pretty ok. Early L99 gave the bad rep to the 5th. Now the fastest car are the boltons L99.
Is that your stock time? If so nice job My 60 was 1.97 on the stock run, and the same for bolt ons.
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Originally Posted by PA94Z
Is that your stock time? If so nice job My 60 was 1.97 on the stock run, and the same for bolt ons.
Stock time was 13.1@110.8mph. 2.2 0-60ft too. It woul not make sense that a 3800lbs Camaro would run the same time as a 14' Vette! My car has LTs, UDs, CAI and some weight reduction. My friends 09' CTSV did 12.4@114mph on the very same track IIRC.
Up hill track..
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Good run......... But you're lookin in the wrong place if you want the car to be quicker. leave the tune and the exhaust alone for now.
Do you suggest starting with a motor swap and ******* hole saws? Yeah dude leave the basic **** alone until you do those... My god....
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Originally Posted by PA94Z
Puff, puff pass

I'll post my very average times for you guys again..

Stock 12.9 @ 108
CAI, tune, Xpipe 12.45 @ 115

Getting those times was easy peasy. Step on the gas and go. It's not a light car either.. with the options the curb weight sits at 3900#. I would be pretty far down on any kind of Coyote fastest list. However the 1le list is a different story..

I'd rank #3 on the stock 1le list, and #2 on the bolt ons list - with less bolt ons than 90% of them

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ight=Fast+List

Stock - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...=sharing#gid=0

Bolt ons - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...=sharing#gid=0

The lists represent my actual experience racing 5th Gens, whether 1le optioned or not it didn't make a difference. So how many races have you guys had in your 5th gens with a different outcome? Wait.... do you guys own 5th gens...
So you're suggesting a stock 1LE cannot run a 12.9 or better? I've watched stock 4th gens run that. A bolt on car 1LE could run those same times. Whatever floats your boat.
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Sounds like a good close run. Do not be discouraged OP. Throw on a mod or two and run him again. Then see what happens.
Try to get a vid, if you can. I'd like to see that run.
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Originally Posted by PA94Z
Puff, puff pass

I'll post my very average times for you guys again..

Stock 12.9 @ 108
CAI, tune, Xpipe 12.45 @ 115

Getting those times was easy peasy. Step on the gas and go. It's not a light car either.. with the options the curb weight sits at 3900#. I would be pretty far down on any kind of Coyote fastest list. However the 1le list is a different story..

I'd rank #3 on the stock 1le list, and #2 on the bolt ons list - with less bolt ons than 90% of them

http://www.camaro5.com/forums/showth...ight=Fast+List

Stock - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...=sharing#gid=0

Bolt ons - https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/...=sharing#gid=0

The lists represent my actual experience racing 5th Gens, whether 1le optioned or not it didn't make a difference. So how many races have you guys had in your 5th gens with a different outcome? Wait.... do you guys own 5th gens...
My buddy's 5gen went 12.9 @ 110.x bonestock. Seems like a good run which is just what we are saying.
Originally Posted by Nick.H
Do you suggest starting with a motor swap and ******* hole saws? Yeah dude leave the basic **** alone until you do those... My god....
Dude.....you really have no clue. Why don't you go drive your cammed untuned car some more for us.
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Originally Posted by MACHXLR8
Sounds like a good close run. Do not be discouraged OP. Throw on a mod or two and run him again. Then see what happens.
Try to get a vid, if you can. I'd like to see that run.
agreed. have fun with it! love a good back and forth battle.
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Originally Posted by Johnnystock
Stock time was 13.1@110.8mph. 2.2 0-60ft too. It woul not make sense that a 3800lbs Camaro would run the same time as a 14' Vette! My car has LTs, UDs, CAI and some weight reduction. My friends 09' CTSV did 12.4@114mph on the very same track IIRC.
Up hill track..
There is a video on here recently of a tune/axle back 5.0 outrunning a C7. That really shouldn't happen either.

Originally Posted by Nick.H
Do you suggest starting with a motor swap and ******* hole saws? Yeah dude leave the basic **** alone until you do those... My god....
I think he was leaning towards suspension/tires and driver mod before adding power to a car that can't hook already. It has nothing to do with the IRS either, the LS3 is just way to powerful!

Originally Posted by why87
So you're suggesting a stock 1LE cannot run a 12.9 or better? I've watched stock 4th gens run that. A bolt on car 1LE could run those same times. Whatever floats your boat.
Nope not what i was suggesting. If you go back and read what you originally replied to I said stock for stock they are a drivers race with the edge going to the 5.0. Which is true.... which you replied that a 1LE would manhandle a 5.0. Now you're saying a 1LE should be able to match or edge out my very average times. So what is it... are they manhandling 5.0s or not?

Define a stock 4th gen.. I've watched many LS cars go 13.3 - 13.5 bone stock in decent air.. 12.9's? No... the ones that do are very rare and anyone who says different has blinders on. I've seen tune/slick M6 5.0's running 11.80's in sea level air, but you don't see me telling you that is the norm.

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My buddy's 5gen went 12.9 @ 110.x bonestock. Seems like a good run which is just what we are saying.
Ok, I am confused how a 1LE matching a average 5.0 time makes them faster.
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Ford has gotta do something. The 5.0 still doesn't quite cut it.
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Originally Posted by big hammer
Ford has gotta do something. The 5.0 still doesn't quite cut it.
How so?
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Originally Posted by PA94Z
How so?
Don't feed the troll man. Seems like most 4th gen owners on this forum claim the 5.0 sucks even though they don't even own one lol. But they will tell you that a 5th gen has the advantage over a 5.0 because there buddy ran this or that. Being a a former 5th gen and 5.0 owner i will till you they are full of ****.
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Originally Posted by OneSlowV
Don't feed the troll man. Seems like most 4th gen owners on this forum claim the 5.0 sucks even though they don't even own one lol. But they will tell you that a 5th gen has the advantage over a 5.0 because there buddy ran this or that. Being a a former 5th gen and 5.0 owner i will till you they are full of ****.
remember when you sold "your car" literally 10 minutes after being called out to race? that was funny ****.


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