ws6 vs gtr... how much more do i need to pull on these cars.
05-17-2015, 08:19 AM
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ws6 vs gtr... how much more do i need to pull on these cars. I had a second run in with the infamous gtr today.
the first. it was straight off a dig. I really didnt think i had any chance getting off the line as quick. it was just a quick first gear pull. and he pulled a car length away before going into second.
today was a second run in with a different gtr. which when i ask what was done before the race. he said it was "basically stock". dont know what that means by i guess just bpu.
it was an off a roll pull. maybe about 20mph.
I was keeping up till the top of 2nd gear. I missed 3rd gear twice. I just could not quick shift to third.(pro 5.0 is on the way.)
freeway perhaps i would have pulled on him. but i want to pull on the gtr on 2nd gear+ as it stands it dead even 1st and 2nds.
im currently at 16-17 psi 76mm turbo with 5.3.
im thinking of raising the boost to 20 psi when my meth kit gets here.for the mean time whats the general power raing does take to beat a gtr?
the first. it was straight off a dig. I really didnt think i had any chance getting off the line as quick. it was just a quick first gear pull. and he pulled a car length away before going into second.
today was a second run in with a different gtr. which when i ask what was done before the race. he said it was "basically stock". dont know what that means by i guess just bpu.
it was an off a roll pull. maybe about 20mph.
I was keeping up till the top of 2nd gear. I missed 3rd gear twice. I just could not quick shift to third.(pro 5.0 is on the way.)
freeway perhaps i would have pulled on him. but i want to pull on the gtr on 2nd gear+ as it stands it dead even 1st and 2nds.
im currently at 16-17 psi 76mm turbo with 5.3.
im thinking of raising the boost to 20 psi when my meth kit gets here.for the mean time whats the general power raing does take to beat a gtr?
05-17-2015, 09:24 AM
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you need a modern 6-8 speed and mod it to shift as fast as it can.
suspension and tires. it needs to be geared to PULL in 1:1. 3.27 maybe. rpms. you need rpms. im talking 7000 rpm shift to keep it pulling and not give up gearing advantage by having to short shift.
he has aero on you. as speed increases it will sap your power.
you can add boost...he can too.
suspension and tires. it needs to be geared to PULL in 1:1. 3.27 maybe. rpms. you need rpms. im talking 7000 rpm shift to keep it pulling and not give up gearing advantage by having to short shift.
he has aero on you. as speed increases it will sap your power.
you can add boost...he can too.
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05-17-2015, 10:01 AM
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GTRs have an amazing dual clutch transmission, and pull harder then they should at xxxhp because of it. Badass setup.
Your driving is even more important because of this, if you lag on your shifts they will pull hard every time you change gears. I'd imagine a 16psi 5.3 should have not had a problem with a "basically stock" GTR though? Is it a bone stock 5.3+ turbo, or do you have supporting mods like heads and cam?
Your driving is even more important because of this, if you lag on your shifts they will pull hard every time you change gears. I'd imagine a 16psi 5.3 should have not had a problem with a "basically stock" GTR though? Is it a bone stock 5.3+ turbo, or do you have supporting mods like heads and cam?
05-17-2015, 11:54 AM
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I assume both. but how much are we talking about?
yea this was my concern. my 1st to second shift i noticed that it had not lag at all so i tried to shift to 3rd as fast as possible. and just would not jam into 3rd. i guess next time powershifting is in order. the f body transmission just does not like shifting at high rpm. ive never had this issue on my supras. ive never considered really wanting a short throw till yesterday, so i ordered it after i got home 
its a bone stock 5.3 with a turbo.
1st gear i know i lost ground b/c of traction.
yea thats what i thought at first. but considering the weight of a ws6 + turbo kit. it very may be a negligible difference in weight.
modern 6-8? im not familiar with that. is that an aftermarket transmision?
suspension are next on the list. tires are done. 315 nitto 555r.
as far as gearing. unfortunately im not going to be changing the rear set up. it cost way to much. i currently have 3.73 moser 12bolt as it sits.
does the skyline pulls that much harder on higher speed? with the ws6 it feels like 1 and 2nd is a joke(due to not having traction in 1st and a bit on 2nd. 3,4,5 however is full traction and it pulls way harder. i dont think it even sees 16psi in 1st and 2nd gear.
GTRs have an amazing dual clutch transmission, and pull harder then they should at xxxhp because of it. Badass setup.
Your driving is even more important because of this, if you lag on your shifts they will pull hard every time you change gears. I'd imagine a 16psi 5.3 should have not had a problem with a "basically stock" GTR though? Is it a bone stock 5.3+ turbo, or do you have supporting mods like heads and cam?
Your driving is even more important because of this, if you lag on your shifts they will pull hard every time you change gears. I'd imagine a 16psi 5.3 should have not had a problem with a "basically stock" GTR though? Is it a bone stock 5.3+ turbo, or do you have supporting mods like heads and cam?
its a bone stock 5.3 with a turbo.
1st gear i know i lost ground b/c of traction.
you need a modern 6-8 speed and mod it to shift as fast as it can.
suspension and tires. it needs to be geared to PULL in 1:1. 3.27 maybe. rpms. you need rpms. im talking 7000 rpm shift to keep it pulling and not give up gearing advantage by having to short shift.
he has aero on you. as speed increases it will sap your power.
you can add boost...he can too.
suspension and tires. it needs to be geared to PULL in 1:1. 3.27 maybe. rpms. you need rpms. im talking 7000 rpm shift to keep it pulling and not give up gearing advantage by having to short shift.
he has aero on you. as speed increases it will sap your power.
you can add boost...he can too.
suspension are next on the list. tires are done. 315 nitto 555r.
as far as gearing. unfortunately im not going to be changing the rear set up. it cost way to much. i currently have 3.73 moser 12bolt as it sits.
does the skyline pulls that much harder on higher speed? with the ws6 it feels like 1 and 2nd is a joke(due to not having traction in 1st and a bit on 2nd. 3,4,5 however is full traction and it pulls way harder. i dont think it even sees 16psi in 1st and 2nd gear.
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05-17-2015, 12:03 PM
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i knew i was in a big disadvantage but just wanted to see anyways.
ill be upping the boost soon. but that could mean worse 1st/2nd gear traction so that may not help much at all.
05-17-2015, 12:21 PM
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You'll need a 10 sec car....
those cars run low 11s from the factory.
those cars run low 11s from the factory.
05-17-2015, 05:36 PM
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Your 5.3 being stock is holding you back. You should get a cam at the very least. LJMS, Tick Performance, call one up and get you a cam for your set up. 16 psi on a stock 5.3 is going to make some good power, but it's not just a peak number that's important. Get a good cam and your car will pull much harder while changing nothing else. Especially with you being a standard, you need to build boost fast and maintain it through the shifts.
05-17-2015, 06:14 PM
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They'll run 10s stock in decent conditions. There was a 2014 GT-R, completely stock down to the tire, running 11.1 with launch control on a 90 degree and humid day. Then the owner gave the keys to his friend, who had never driven the car before, and he immediately ran a 11.12 with launch control.
The guys were super-chill, we were laughing about the GT-R racing video that had the dude sleeping as he raced and then we were making jokes about reducing weight, so we took out all the mats in the car to save 0.01 second.
The guys were super-chill, we were laughing about the GT-R racing video that had the dude sleeping as he raced and then we were making jokes about reducing weight, so we took out all the mats in the car to save 0.01 second.
05-17-2015, 06:42 PM
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They'll run 10s stock in decent conditions. There was a 2014 GT-R, completely stock down to the tire, running 11.1 with launch control on a 90 degree and humid day. Then the owner gave the keys to his friend, who had never driven the car before, and he immediately ran a 11.12 with launch control.
The guys were super-chill, we were laughing about the GT-R racing video that had the dude sleeping as he raced and then we were making jokes about reducing weight, so we took out all the mats in the car to save 0.01 second.
The guys were super-chill, we were laughing about the GT-R racing video that had the dude sleeping as he raced and then we were making jokes about reducing weight, so we took out all the mats in the car to save 0.01 second.
There's no reason you can't take out a bolt-on GT-R from a 60 roll with your setup.
05-20-2015, 05:59 PM
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05-20-2015, 07:17 PM
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If it really was mostly stock I agree. It's him being a standard that's killing him. He probably drops boost between shifts, then just as he gets back in the power, he has to shift again. Like those cars you see in vids that pull hard, but drop back 1/2 a car between shifts.
05-21-2015, 12:02 AM
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If it really was mostly stock I agree. It's him being a standard that's killing him. He probably drops boost between shifts, then just as he gets back in the power, he has to shift again. Like those cars you see in vids that pull hard, but drop back 1/2 a car between shifts.
biggest thing is traction. I have no first gear and the faster i shift to second the less traction i have in second gear. considering we were toe to toe and i had no traction i could have definitely taken him if I did.
The question was for street setup.
This car is 100% street and DD. not really down to run slicks. perhaps mt drag rad. but seeing how low the life on those are i opted for 555r. i want to go atleast 1+ year without changing the rear tires.
has anyone here run against a gtr on the street and have taken it off the line? im sure someone here has and curious what there set up is.
in reality swapping to an auto is not an option. just not for me.(ive had one and hated it) yes i know it would help me get off the line.
2nd. next best tire is the mt. perhaps next tire change ill give this a try. but that would depend on how much $$ I can afford when that comes around.
I would assume it would be much easier to take out a gtr in the track w/ slicks but streets what are your set up?
(more specific-off a dig)
found a race between turbo ws6 vs gtr off a roll.
this guy looks like very similar base as mine at only 12psi.
the gtr wouldnt even be a contest off a roll.
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