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Old 05-17-2016, 06:46 AM
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Originally Posted by JC316
The last fox 5.0L was actually rated at 205HP, then the SN95 was bumped back up to 215HP. The cobras were at 235hp and 240hp.

The 205HP number was a crock of **** though, most 5.0's dyno around 190HP. Basically they had the SN95 cars coming out with a crappier intake, so they underrated their current 5.0L to make it look better.

The only big weight advantage came from an LX coupe, the GT and hatch cars are very close in weight to the 305 cars.

Hands down the biggest problem will ALL of the TPI cars is the rear gearing and the damned 700R4. That's why the G92 was faster than the mustang.
Snakes loaded 86 fox was still around 130 lbs lighter than my stripper 87 formula
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Originally Posted by JC316
The last fox 5.0L was actually rated at 205HP, then the SN95 was bumped back up to 215HP. The cobras were at 235hp and 240hp.

The 205HP number was a crock of **** though, most 5.0's dyno around 190HP. Basically they had the SN95 cars coming out with a crappier intake, so they underrated their current 5.0L to make it look better.

The only big weight advantage came from an LX coupe, the GT and hatch cars are very close in weight to the 305 cars.

Hands down the biggest problem will ALL of the TPI cars is the rear gearing and the damned 700R4. That's why the G92 was faster than the mustang.
So glad that now with the 6G GM's reputation of shitty gearing from the factory is over.
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Originally Posted by big hammer
Snakes loaded 86 fox was still around 130 lbs lighter than my stripper 87 formula
86 for sure, but the 87 refresh added some weight to them. A 93 GT hatch has a curb weight of 3250, LX hatch is 3150. IIRC, the third gens are around 3100-3300lbs. Coupe cars are where the mustangs are really light.

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So glad that now with the 6G GM's reputation of shitty gearing from the factory is over.
Same. The M6 4th gens were better about it than the third gens, but still factory 3:73's would have been nice. My 89 IROC with the single cat has 2.77 rear end gears.
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Originally Posted by JC316
Same. The M6 4th gens were better about it than the third gens, but still factory 3:73's would have been nice. My 89 IROC with the single cat has 2.77 rear end gears.
Yeah man, 3.73-3.90 for m6 on 4Gs would have been nice. 3.42 for a4. The 2.73 a4 cars were kind of turds.
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Originally Posted by marc97taws6
Yeah man, 3.73-3.90 for m6 on 4Gs would have been nice. 3.42 for a4. The 2.73 a4 cars were kind of turds.
Tell me about it..... Bone stock 1998 Trans Am A4 2.73's
I'm glad that painful setup is gone.
Da was around 2000 ft.
Car 1359

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I know him. His name is nate. That'sa local vid.
Originally Posted by big hammer
305's are A-OK
As good or better than most other **** in its day. I out ran a whole pile of 30poos in my factory v8 Monza.

My k5 blazer did fine with a 305 and would get over 18mpg on the highway. A friend had a 30poo full size bronco. I coukd thrash that thing easily.
Originally Posted by JC316
My thoughts on the third gen in general, 2 mins for how I felt about the 5.0L.

Raving Reviewer. Known Problems of the 85-92 Camaro - YouTube
Lol......i will stand by saying the turd gens are the most taken apart car in the history of mankind.

It's a shame to. They ushered in a much superior chassis to the pony cars with incredible handling for the time.

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Originally Posted by JC316
86 for sure, but the 87 refresh added some weight to them. A 93 GT hatch has a curb weight of 3250, LX hatch is 3150. IIRC, the third gens are around 3100-3300lbs. Coupe cars are where the mustangs are really light.



Same. The M6 4th gens were better about it than the third gens, but still factory 3:73's would have been nice. My 89 IROC with the single cat has 2.77 rear end gears.
My non ac 87 formula was around 3350-3380. GTA's were known to be 3500-3600 wtf
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Originally Posted by 98CayenneT/A
Tell me about it..... Bone stock 1998 Trans Am A4 2.73's
I'm glad that painful setup is gone.
Da was around 2000 ft.
Car 1359

Ouch! Here locally I saw a catback, lid, and tune a4 ceta ws6 do 13.4@104, so you did pretty well actually
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Originally Posted by marc97taws6
Ouch! Here locally I saw a catback, lid, and tune a4 ceta ws6 do 13.4@104, so you did pretty well actually
Ya, in my defense I think I could of got that down to 13.5 - 13.6 with more experience and a weather upgrade but ya.... looking back at it that's quite pokey lol
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Originally Posted by 98CayenneT/A
Ya, in my defense I think I could of got that down to 13.5 - 13.6 with more experience and a weather upgrade but ya.... looking back at it that's quite pokey lol
I understand the feeling. 13.024 banging off the rev limiter on the 1-2 shift in the 97 ws6 was annoying. Still look back on it like damnit if I had a tune and good shift points it'd easily be 12's and an actual drag pack would have cut a few more tenths over 275/40/17 ws6 wheels up front and the 275/40/17 ET street radials out back on zr1 wheels
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
Lol......i will stand by saying the turd gens are the most taken apart car in the history of mankind.

It's a shame to. They ushered in a much superior chassis to the pony cars with incredible handling for the time.
Absolutely. Mine is a little worse for wear right now, but it's still a fairly nice car. The handling is great on them, but the ride blows.

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My non ac 87 formula was around 3350-3380. GTA's were known to be 3500-3600 wtf
Makes sense with the pontiac cars, more effects and electronics. My weights are much closer on the IROC cars.
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I like 305's.... and turtles. I rocked one in my first truck 1997 k1500 for a few years til I swapped in a 383. That lil 305 with vortec heads ran pretty good. My buddy had a F150 with a 302 same rcsb 4x4 setup as me and I'd walk him hard from any speed.
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I rocked a 305 in a 1985 Oldsmobile Toronado. That bad boy had disc brakes all the way around.
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86-92 305 auto TPI cars were terrible. 85 was decent. Damn peanut cam
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302s are like so gay.
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None of the 80's V8s were worth a damn.
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Originally Posted by big hammer
305's are A-OK
I beat a 1989 Camero RS 305 car with my 1989 Escort GT(yes,... the damned thing looked like a high top sneaker )
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Originally Posted by Poppacapp
I beat a 1989 Camero RS 305 car with my 1989 Escort GT(yes,... the damned thing looked like a high top sneaker )
Wouldn't doubt it. Freakin RS had like 175 hp
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Originally Posted by big hammer
Wouldn't doubt it. Freakin RS had like 175 hp
But mah Escort High Top Sneaker only had 115
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Originally Posted by Poppacapp
But mah Escort High Top Sneaker only had 115
But weighed only 500 lbs!


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