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Old 12-16-2016, 12:02 AM
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Originally Posted by UltraZLS1
Fair enough. Guess you haven't proven some of this in my view
I just did. Lol. I like you though we will have fun at Milan....maybe after that you will have some respect for gutless Coyotes.

Doug-. It's $35 a gallon and some people can get it cheaper stop rounding up. Thats your #1 rule your being a hypocrite. Weight is a huge issue but wow does the Coyote do good when they get as light as the LS cars thats weird. FTW fuel absolutely works good....as much as you claim? No. Avoid Pump gas? I pump E85 into my car and it's cheaper. Stop hating....you can run any fuel you want so stop bitching. You say Faceplated trans and not using your clutch doesn't help at all soooooo......
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Originally Posted by corysmach1
I just did. Lol. I like you though we will have fun at Milan....maybe after that you will have some respect for gutless Coyotes.

Doug-. It's $35 a gallon and some people can get it cheaper stop rounding up. Thats your #1 rule your being a hypocrite. Weight is a huge issue but wow does the Coyote do good when they get as light as the LS cars thats weird. FTW fuel absolutely works good....as much as you claim? No. Avoid Pump gas? I pump E85 into my car and it's cheaper. Stop hating....you can run any fuel you want so stop bitching. You say Faceplated trans and not using your clutch doesn't help at all soooooo......
Never said they were gutless. I bet if we had the same mods you wouldn't be as confident though. I have in fact messed up some tune and tire 5.0 at my track. Maybe they will be there and I'll show you

From the pricing on the website it's about 50 a gallon for a 55 drum with shipping last I looked.

Not sure about the weight thing. Now that the s550 and 6g are both irs both similar weight it's a blowout stock vs stock. At this point full out yes the mustang has been faster.
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Originally Posted by UltraZLS1
Never said they were gutless. I bet if we had the same mods you wouldn't be as confident though. I have in fact messed up some tune and tire 5.0 at my track. Maybe they will be there and I'll show you

From the pricing on the website it's about 50 a gallon for a 55 drum with shipping last I looked.

Not sure about the weight thing. Now that the s550 and 6g are both irs both similar weight it's a blowout stock vs stock. At this point full out yes the mustang has been faster.
Mods are mods....who's counting? Could go either way....I could also say with same mods as me you wouldn't be confident then again you do seem like the Typical GM guy thinking you will smash any Ford model for mod....am I wrong? On the fuel it's $175 at JPC....hefty shipping charge on top of that. I have a shop 2 hrs away that sells it cheaper. Not that I run it though.
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Just looked. It's 44 a gallon for 5 gal shipped. 30 for 55 gal drum. 1650 investment. That's some coin for fuel
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Originally Posted by corysmach1
Mods are mods....who's counting? Could go either way....I could also say with same mods as me you wouldn't be confident then again you do seem like the Typical GM guy thinking you will smash any Ford model for mod....am I wrong? On the fuel it's $175 at JPC....hefty shipping charge on top of that. I have a shop 2 hrs away that sells it cheaper. Not that I run it though.
Who's counting ? It's the cornerstone of the bro world. Mod for mod and bolt ons. I didn't start the fire... but this 6gen put it out lol

You already said that actually. You'd still be confident if I was heads/cam build.

Typical ford guy... like I said before
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Originally Posted by UltraZLS1
Who's counting ? It's the cornerstone of the bro world. Mod for mod and bolt ons. I didn't start the fire... but this 6gen put it out lol

You already said that actually. You'd still be confident if I was heads/cam build.

Typical ford guy... like I said before
I can get the fuel cheaper but it's still absolutely ridiculously expensive. I personally think the A8 is the only thing saving you. I don't care about mod for mod I am not your typical Bro lol. Yes I do think if you went heads and cam my LBO small cams only Yote would shock you. Would I win? I don't know do heads and cam and let's find out. Digs and rolls? I'm game.
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Originally Posted by corysmach1
I can get the fuel cheaper but it's still absolutely ridiculously expensive. I personally think the A8 is the only thing saving you. I don't care about mod for mod I am not your typical Bro lol. Yes I do think if you went heads and cam my LBO small cams only Yote would shock you. Would I win? I don't know do heads and cam and let's find out. Digs and rolls? I'm game.
At least I still have the stock transmission.

Cams and tranny=LBO . You're a bro to the core.
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No Doug I didn't miss it, 3600+ race weight. So heavier and faster than your car, similar weight any faster than any NA c7, all you all do is whine.
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Originally Posted by sxc Z28
My bad I misread and thought you meant he did all your tuning.

Was the MSD ported also? If so, your ported IM is a very impressive piece.

Yes, converter is a bolt-on. My rule of thumb for bolt-ons is if the motor is original and factory sealed with no power adders, of course, you'll leave them with nothing to complain about.
Tim is an extremely competent tuner. Better than me honestly all around and especially on the LT stuff. If you are going with a combo like mine and need mail order or a set up. He is the guy. I have been tuning the LS motors since 04' and have had some great successes with my builds. The LT base hasn't interested me until now and honestly still doesn't very much. But you have to keep up with the times. I won't touch a platform for someone else before I have figured it out for myself on my own car. I am not a limitless budget shop that can buy a new car every year and figure things out while writing it off as a tax deduction so it takes me a little while to catch up. I will say that the LT motor is leaps and bounds better than the LS platform. The computer and the ability to tune them is the only limit right now. I also didn't really see anyone pushing these things and noticed the aftermarket is beyond Corvette tax right now which is ridiculous. I also almost fell over when I saw the sticker price. I could have bought the C7 I helped set the bolt on record with (on pump gas) for the same price. But I had to have rear seats. I figured there was some gains in the stock stuff as usual so I dug in to find them. Now there is an alternative to a 1K manifold. I am working on the exhaust next. Not headers or anything but maybe something cool.

The MSD is not ported. I am going to grab it up and take a look at it to see what can be done inside of it. I have heard there are some gains to be made. If there are, I will find them. I still want this car to get lined out for an apples to apples.
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Originally Posted by Poppacapp
I would consider a converter the same type mod as a clutch. Doesn't really fall within the bolton realm, but who cares what other think. BTW, my buddy Brian has talked with you or/and Tim.. he is planning on going with the flex setup, tune etc.
I can see how you would say the converter and clutch are the same type of mod. Labor wise I agree. Performance wise I don't think they are close. A converter can be worth half a second if done right. A clutch is still a clutch at the end of the day. I am not up on all the terms in here, LBO, MBO, FBO, it almost reminds me of the Supra days of BPU, BPU+++++++++++, APU. You had to know what + meant what. LOL.

I am glad your buddy is getting with Tim. He won't be disappointed at all. He is not going to find a better guy to do his set up.

How far out are you from Sanford. We need to get the cars together at some point. Next time I am heading to the track I will shoot you a PM.

And on to the FTW E85. I think I can get a 5 gal can for $70 at my buddy's place. Is it truly worth it to get my pump "85" pretty low and then add 5 gal of this stuff for the track? I can also get Renegade E85 up the road at $30 for a 5 gal can.

I also didn't notice the brake conversion on that Mustang. I know my guy dropped 150lbs on his V by doing a brake conversion. That is a worth while mod for a track car. I am not sure how my fat girl would like race brakes every day.
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Originally Posted by UltraZLS1
At least I still have the stock transmission.

Cams and tranny=LBO . You're a bro to the core.
I busted 5 MT-82's one was built to the hilt it lasted a week. Also busted the Magnum had it built by RPM....been through hell and back with this piece of ****. I bet that A8 is a handful to drive. Lol. Small off the shelf cams and a transmission that slowed me down with many bolt ons left to do. So yes once again I'm LBO with cams.
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Automagics really do save the GM guys, I'm a bit jelly it wasn't an option for my GT100 and I have to get it done with an M6. lol
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Originally Posted by corysmach1
I just did. Lol. I like you though we will have fun at Milan....maybe after that you will have some respect for gutless Coyotes.

Doug-. It's $35 a gallon and some people can get it cheaper stop rounding up. Thats your #1 rule your being a hypocrite. Weight is a huge issue but wow does the Coyote do good when they get as light as the LS cars thats weird. FTW fuel absolutely works good....as much as you claim? No. Avoid Pump gas? I pump E85 into my car and it's cheaper. Stop hating....you can run any fuel you want so stop bitching. You say Faceplated trans and not using your clutch doesn't help at all soooooo......
The only thing hypocrite is defending a $40ish gallon fuel while saying you run e85 because it's cheaper.


I've did back to back runs using the clutch vs not......don't you think i would know the difference smh

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Originally Posted by UltraZLS1
At least I still have the stock transmission.

Cams and tranny=LBO . You're a bro to the core.
Yes he is...but claims not.
Originally Posted by sw07gt
No Doug I didn't miss it, 3600+ race weight. So heavier and faster than your car, similar weight any faster than any NA c7, all you all do is whine.
Lets see....I'm in a thread here interested in the great results of the 6gen. Results that no 5br0 has matched mod 4 mod........all you're doin is whining about 5br0s and other peoples cars.
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I can see how you would say the converter and clutch are the same type of mod. Labor wise I agree. Performance wise I don't think they are close. A converter can be worth half a second if done right. A clutch is still a clutch at the end of the day. I am not up on all the terms in here, LBO, MBO, FBO, it almost reminds me of the Supra days of BPU, BPU+++++++++++, APU. You had to know what + meant what. LOL.

I am glad your buddy is getting with Tim. He won't be disappointed at all. He is not going to find a better guy to do his set up.

How far out are you from Sanford. We need to get the cars together at some point. Next time I am heading to the track I will shoot you a PM.

And on to the FTW E85. I think I can get a 5 gal can for $70 at my buddy's place. Is it truly worth it to get my pump "85" pretty low and then add 5 gal of this stuff for the track? I can also get Renegade E85 up the road at $30 for a 5 gal can.

I also didn't notice the brake conversion on that Mustang. I know my guy dropped 150lbs on his V by doing a brake conversion. That is a worth while mod for a track car. I am not sure how my fat girl would like race brakes every day.
Yea there is a good shot of the front suspension/wheel area on that car. All tube and race breaks. About any time you see 15s on the front of late model cars they have 15s. Likely much lighter than claimed. Notice no shot of interior.

My bet is you run ftw, finish out the tune and do equivalent weight reduction and be right on his *** with everything else stock.

One of their heros picked up .4 on ftw.....or lost .4 goin back to e85. Depending on how you want to look at it.
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Maybe one day the mighty LT1 will catch up to the coyote.
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Originally Posted by sw07gt
Maybe one day the mighty LT1 will catch up to the coyote.
I doubt it.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
The only thing hypocrite is defending a $40ish gallon fuel while saying you run e85 because it's cheaper.


I've did back to back runs using the clutch vs not......don't you think i would know the difference smh
Umn I said FTW is absolutely ridiculously expensive read back. E85 is cheaper than pump for me by a lot. You know a little bit about LS cars but you are completely clueless about Coyotes.
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I very much know thet need a fuel. I very much know most bolt on guys don't mess with ftw unless they have a 5br0. I very much know the fuel they are on don't get mentioned much even in their own fast list thread.
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Originally Posted by HioSSilver
I very much know thet need a fuel. I very much know most bolt on guys don't mess with ftw unless they have a 5br0. I very much know the fuel they are on don't get mentioned much even in their own fast list thread.
Why do they need it? They make more power than you on pump?
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Lmao Br0s still having seizures over LBO 6 gen.


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