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02 Z28 vs 13 R/T

Old 01-20-2017, 09:08 PM
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Cold night. even with prep still spun.
Camaro is mostly stock. Challenger was all stock.
Old 01-20-2017, 09:48 PM
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Exactly as I expected lol. pig slow *** r/t got *** raped. A stock ls1 fbod will easily walk an rt.
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Ha! My slow LT1 with a CAI and full exhaust stayed side-by-side with a friend's dad's 2008 Challenger SRT8, and I'm still running with a stock tune! I do like Challengers though. I'd definitely consider buying a new Scat Pack.
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Originally Posted by Nickster 7
Ha! My slow LT1 with a CAI and full exhaust stayed side-by-side with a friend's dad's 2008 Challenger SRT8, and I'm still running with a stock tune! I do like Challengers though. I'd definitely consider buying a new Scat Pack.
Ive wanted to run an srt8, Almost got a kid with a 300 to race but he backed out. Nice cars tho
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5.7 Hemi cars are high 13 second cars in a perfect situation. Not necessarily the epitome of speed and performance. At least you are out racing though. Thanks for sharing.
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2008 is the older 5.7. Later version are vvt and stronger. The new 8spd autos are low 13s stock.
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Nice run. You got him out of the hole pretty good. Did you try to run him from a roll?

About three weeks ago, I had a random encounter on the highway with a 2016 Challenger RT. I was a car back when he took the hit at about 50 mph. I not only made up that car on him but put another one on him by about 110 and pulling hard. I thought it would have had a little more than it did.

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So only two cars gained and you are 1000lbs lighter.
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That was all, man. Sorry to disappoint. We did start at about 50 mph and stopped a little past 100. We were not next to each other. I was in the far right lane lane on a three lane road and then I switched to the center lane to get next to him. As soon as I started my lane change to the center, he hit it. He was already in it hard before I finally layed into it. I am not sure why he would not line up with me but at least I gave him chase. The way I was pulling though, I belive it would have got worse for him.
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No disappoint. Pardon if it sounded that way.
You did indicate and pulling away. Reminds me when I was stock and raced my neighbors bolt-on CTS-V1 from about the same. Freight-trained.

VVT Hemi Challengers dyno about 350rwhp stock. Engine is underrated. Supposedly 395 flywheel hp is more accurate instead of 375fhp.
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Originally Posted by Felix C
No disappoint. Pardon if it sounded that way.
You did indicate and pulling away. Reminds me when I was stock and raced my neighbors bolt-on CTS-V1 from about the same. Freight-trained.

VVT Hemi Challengers dyno about 350rwhp stock. Engine is underrated. Supposedly 395 flywheel hp is more accurate instead of 375fhp.
All good, man
In all honesty, if these Mopars would shed a little weight, they would be stout competition on the street. I recently saw an add for a new Dodge Demon. Supposed to be a much lighter car. A 392 in this thing might give a GM and Ford a good run for their money.
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Food point mach. I wish mopar would roll something out there affordable to put up a fight with the 5.0 and ss.
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Originally Posted by MACHXLR8
Nice run. You got him out of the hole pretty good. Did you try to run him from a roll?
Didn't ask him for a roll. He didn't want any after the race lol
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Originally Posted by Jay z28
5.7 Hemi cars are high 13 second cars in a perfect situation. Not necessarily the epitome of speed and performance. At least you are out racing though. Thanks for sharing.
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2008 is the older 5.7. Later version are vvt and stronger. The new 8spd autos are low 13s stock.
Looks like Justy got owned once again.
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Yeah the new 8 speed cars can run low 13s. Be a good race against a properly driven ls1 m6. In reality the r/t will probably win on average. Automagic
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Nah, I beat a damn 392 Charger from a roll with him stealing the hit. Granted I only pulled him by 1 @140MPH but still. I only have 1 mod over stock. R/T ain't got it for the ls1
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Originally Posted by RedFuryZ28
Looks like Justy got owned once again.
Hard to keep track of all the personal agenda narratives on here. Are Mopars slow pigs, or are they equal to LS1 cars? Can't be both.
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Depends on what year as they varied quite a bit since 2008. It really has been nine years now of Challenger models. Amazing.

The early Hemis were about 345hp. Then the 5.7 got the deep breathing 6.1 heads and VVT. And since 2015 the 8speed auto which is like having a 4.70 rear axle compared to previous.

Have improved from low 14s to low 13s stock. Not including hero runs.

The 392 is a different topic. Always been mid to low 12s.

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Originally Posted by Jay z28
5.7 Hemi cars are high 13 second cars in a perfect situation. Not necessarily the epitome of speed and performance. At least you are out racing though. Thanks for sharing.
In perfect DA, with a perfect driver, in perfect track prep, with a perfect tailwind... I can see high 13s. I can agree with that. LOL

Originally Posted by Felix C
No disappoint. Pardon if it sounded that way.
You did indicate and pulling away. Reminds me when I was stock and raced my neighbors bolt-on CTS-V1 from about the same. Freight-trained.

VVT Hemi Challengers dyno about 350rwhp stock. Engine is underrated. Supposedly 395 flywheel hp is more accurate instead of 375fhp.
If you raced that V1 from a dig, I'm not surprised. LOL ******* V1s and digs don't go hand in hand. Too many guys in V1s with no driving skill to run from digs. Only manual cars too... no automagic for V1s.

Not impressed with these RT cars tbh. Expect more out of them and haven't seen it. Saw a guy with an auto '15 one run 14.8 @ sub 100. He ran quite a few times (I want to say around 6-7 times), never got out of the 14.5+ range and never got over 100mph. This was ~2 years ago in about 2k DA and idk if it was 8spd or not. I don't follow them like that to know when they got an 8spd. My friend has managed a 14.3 in a 2005 Dodge Magnum RT though... so maybe there's some kind of hope around there.

I'd rather take an SRT Jeep over any of the others, just because they seem to run better and more consistent. Same time frame, saw a guy hop in one with paper plates and run 13.5 @ 105 or something, consistently... right on target with what magazine times said it'd run.

OP: As expected. Not surprised to see a 13s car gap a 14s car.
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Originally Posted by Felix C
Depends on what year as they varied quite a bit since 2008. It really has been nine years now of Challenger models. Amazing.

The early Hemis were about 345hp. Then the 5.7 got the deep breathing 6.1 heads and VVT. And since 2015 the 8speed auto which is like having a 4.70 rear axle compared to previous.

Have improved from low 14s to low 13s stock. Not including hero runs.

The 392 is a different topic. Always been mid to low 12s.
I had the 360 hp 5.7 in our 300c. A little heavier (not much) than the Challenger, but it ran high 14's @ 6k da. Usually NA cars that don't spin much drop a second in et from our track to 0 DA. Which is why I said high 13's in a perfect situation.


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In perfect DA, with a perfect driver, in perfect track prep, with a perfect tailwind... I can see high 13s. I can agree with that. LOL
Yup, I think you got all the perfects covered. Thanks for breaking it down so well.

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